# Is there a woman alive more willfully obtuse than Lynndie England? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 19, 2008, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909 "2008-03-19T04:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/141 "2008-04-12T15:03:37Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] I suppose you have a cite that the “enhanced interrogation techniques” were legally torture. I will await your cite. [/QUOTE] So, would it be your position that this administration has not supported interrogation techniques such as waterboarding? Or are you going to say that waterboarding is not torture? I await your responsed with bated breath … ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/142 "2008-04-12T15:05:59Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] So, would it be your position that this administration has not supported interrogation techniques such as waterboarding? Or are you going to say that waterboarding is not torture? I await your responsed with bated breath … [/QUOTE] Waterboarding is not torture. Read John Yoo’s memo: [http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us\_law/etn/gonzales/memos\_dir/memo\_20020801\_JD\_%20Gonz\_.pdf#search="bybee%20memo%20pdf"](http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn/gonzales/memos_dir/memo_20020801_JD_%20Gonz_.pdf#search=%22bybee%20memo%20pdf%22) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/143 "2008-04-12T15:29:54Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] Waterboarding is not torture.] [/QUOTE] I would enthusiastically welcome an opportunity to change your mind on this. I suspect it would require only a single brief demonstration, but we can certainly do an “extended workshop” over a course of days or weeks, if necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/144 "2008-04-12T15:33:57Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] Waterboarding is not torture. Read John Yoo’s memo: [http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us\_law/etn/gonzales/memos\_dir/memo\_20020801\_JD\_%20Gonz\_.pdf#search="bybee%20memo%20pdf"](http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn/gonzales/memos_dir/memo_20020801_JD_%20Gonz_.pdf#search=%22bybee%20memo%20pdf%22) [/QUOTE] Yoo’s memo has been withdrawn by the DOJ. It is not relevant to a discussion of what legally constitutes torture. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/145 "2008-04-12T15:55:07Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] Yoo’s memo has been withdrawn by the DOJ. It is not relevant to a discussion of what legally constitutes torture. [/QUOTE] Just because it was withdrawn for public relations reasons, does not mean the legal reasoning still does not stand. For the legal issues to be sorted out, we will need court decisions. Until then, it is all just opinion. Yoo’s opinion is as valid as any and more valid than most. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/146 "2008-04-12T16:23:03Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] I suppose you have a cite that the “enhanced interrogation techniques” were legally torture. I will await your cite. [/QUOTE] Legally torture?, Fucking legally fucking torture??? Torture it´s still torture no matter how many laws you slap into it to ease the decaying carcass of your emmanciated morality, you idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/147 "2008-04-12T17:32:52Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] I suppose you have a cite that the “enhanced interrogation techniques” were legally torture. I will await your cite. [/QUOTE] Does whether it’s legally defined as torture or not make a difference in your decision whether it’s moral or not? ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/148 "2008-04-12T17:34:09Z")
[QUOTE=Revtim] Does whether it’s legally defined as torture or not make a difference in your decision whether it’s moral or not? [/QUOTE] I do not care about the morality of it. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/149 "2008-04-12T17:35:11Z")
[QUOTE=Ale] Legally torture?, Fucking legally fucking torture??? Torture it´s still torture no matter how many laws you slap into it to ease the decaying carcass of your emmanciated morality, you idiot. [/QUOTE] We are a nation of laws. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/150 "2008-04-12T17:47:26Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] I do not care about the morality of it. [/QUOTE] Clearly just the kind of person who should be making decisions about whose eyes to gouge out! ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909/151 "2008-04-12T17:58:14Z")
I will not be responding to this thread anymore. I do not see the point of discussing the same issue in two threads at the same time. I will continue to post in the other thread. Sorry if this inconveniences anyone. > **[So is Lynndie England gonna get a pardon?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=463568)** > > Disgusting. It’s nice that they blamed the retarded girl. It was all her idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-woman-alive-more-willfully-obtuse-than-lynndie-england/441909.md?page=7)