# Is there any chance that Sandusky is found not guilty? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 15, 2012, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190 "2012-06-15T01:10:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/181 "2012-06-22T23:18:51Z")
[The jurors have asked for a clarification.](http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_jurors_as.html) > [@](#): > > In the Victim 8 case, a janitor testified he saw Sandusky grab a young boy’s hand as he left the coaches’ locker room one night in 2000, and his colleague who had been in the locker room cleaning became very upset, saying he saw a “dirty man” licking the boy’s privates. > > The jurors’ question was about the legal term “excited utterance” and about circumstantial evidence. The judge reminded them they can’t only rely on what the testifying janitor said, but must first believe there is some other evidence of a crime, too. > > The janitor who said he witnessed something that night suffers from Dementia and couldn’t testify. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/182 "2012-06-23T00:50:29Z")
posted without comment: “Jerry Sandusky’s lead defense attorney told reporters Friday that “he would probably die of a heart attack” if his client is acquitted on all 48 counts of sex abuse of young boys.” ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/183 "2012-06-23T02:03:53Z")
The jury has a verdict on all 48 counts…waiting… ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/184 "2012-06-23T02:20:54Z")
Guilty on 45 of 48. I wonder which 3 didn’t make the cut…would have to be the ones regarding either McQueary or the janitor, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/185 "2012-06-23T02:21:24Z")
Ah, guilty of 45 out of 48. I guess there is zero chance, after all. ---
**Author:** ![computergeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/186 "2012-06-23T02:21:56Z")
Guilty on 45 of 48 counts. I was prepared to perhaps give him some benefit of the doubt since a lot of the charges were more he said, he said and these boys had integrity issues given their problems, but the kicker was his son Matt saying he was molested too. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/187 "2012-06-23T02:30:23Z")
I would never have guessed that it would have happened so quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/188 "2012-06-23T02:31:36Z")
And there we have it. Looks fair to me! When’s the sentencing? ---
**Author:** ![Ian\_D.Bergkamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Ian\_D.Bergkamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ian_D.Bergkamp)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/189 "2012-06-23T02:33:09Z")
[Here’s](http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_verdict_complet.html) a breakdown on the verdict, count-by-count. The “not guiltys” are: Count 7: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse [Victim 2] Verdict: Not guilty. Count 24: Indecent assault [Victim 5] Verdict: Not guilty. Count 28: Indecent assault [Victim 6] Verdict: Not guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Ian\_D.Bergkamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Ian\_D.Bergkamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ian_D.Bergkamp)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/190 "2012-06-23T02:37:58Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > And there we have it. Looks fair to me! When’s the sentencing? In about 3 months, according to the AP. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/191 "2012-06-23T03:10:36Z")
Finally! One of those high profile scandalous trials that doesn’t end with most people wanting puke and/or burn down town hall. When’s the next one? 2025? ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/192 "2012-06-23T03:22:33Z")
Sandusky is apparently going to appeal. Hopefully, he’ll have a better lawyer for this one. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/193 "2012-06-23T03:28:43Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > Sandusky is apparently going to appeal. Hopefully, he’ll have a better lawyer for this one. Wonder if he can make a case for incompetent representation. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/194 "2012-06-23T03:48:03Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > Sandusky is apparently going to appeal. Hopefully, he’ll have a better lawyer for this one. Aren’t appeals pretty much expected in a case like this? I doubt he’ll get one, or that the verdict will be reversed. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/195 "2012-06-23T05:08:13Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > Wonder if he can make a case for incompetent representation. He’ll have plenty of free time to make his case… in prison. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/196 "2012-06-23T14:16:24Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > Wonder if he can make a case for incompetent representation. I was thinking the same thing, but what did his lawyer do at trial that was ineffective? All of his dumbassery was in statements to the media, and the real kicker was the speech he gave last night basically throwing away any argument he might have for an appeal (the judge was fair, the trial was fair, the jurors were fair). Nobody can argue that his stupid statement to the press AFTER the verdict improperly influenced the verdict. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/197 "2012-06-23T14:51:00Z")
Is it me or does Sandusky come across as very childlike and disconnected from reality. Regardless of what he says his demeanor pings my creepy meter. It’s like a combination of high functioning autism and low IQ. ---
**Author:** ![computergeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/198 "2012-06-23T14:53:20Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Is it me or does Sandusky come across as very childlike and disconnected from reality. Regardless of what he says his demeanor pings my creepy meter. It’s like a combination of high functioning autism and low IQ. I feel the same way. His media interviews were the height of stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/199 "2012-06-23T15:31:27Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > Wonder if he can make a case for incompetent representation. Just because you lose doesn’t mean your lawyer was incompetant. The actual legal threshold for incompetency is pretty high. Your lawyer has to be literally sleeeping during the trial, failing to file documents, and so on. Merely making inflamatory statements to the media isn’t incompentence. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190/200 "2012-06-23T16:30:53Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Just because you lose doesn’t mean your lawyer was incompetant. The actual legal threshold for incompetency is pretty high. Your lawyer has to be literally sleeeping during the trial, failing to file documents, and so on. Merely making inflamatory statements to the media isn’t incompentence. could a case be made that he did not mount a proper defense and he himself was already ‘set to lose’? his comment before the verdict to the affect of "I’ll be suprised if hes not convicted’ sure sounds like a sabotaged defense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-chance-that-sandusky-is-found-not-guilty/625190.md?page=11)