# Is there any legitimacy to the Sovereign Citizen argument? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 7, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097 "2017-05-07T22:25:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/381 "2017-11-30T17:31:50Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Still doesn’t match the French police for brutal efficiency: > > [Parisian, out on the town, leaves Porsche in no-parking zone. French police blow it up.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=814731) I missed this the first time. Thank you. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Uh… the war? Anyway, see you around. Probably not. At least not by that name. 🙂 > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > “You have thirty minutes to move your smoldering debris.” What? And if you don’t comply they’re gonna blow it up some more? > [@running\_coach](#): > > The picture was disappointing. Just some wrinkles in the hood and probably frame and engine damage. > I was expecting something _The Mythbusters_ (original) would leave behind. Oh well. If the car really was a bomb, you don’t need all that much explosion to set it off. And if it wasn’t a bomb you’d like to minimize damage to the neighborhood, since the only bomb involved is the police’s and they’re worried about \*their \*insurance premiums. I agree with the sentiment though. One of my favorite movie scenes is poor mad Chief Inspector Dreyfus exclaiming that he wants wreckage, _twisted wreckage!_ Everything is better with twisted wreckage. Which, come to think of it, is about how **SarahWitch** finished out this thread that began so agreeably and sensibly. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/382 "2017-11-30T17:49:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > “You have thirty minutes to move your smoldering debris.” “The white zone is for exploding cars. Blow up cars only in the white zone. The red zone is for dissolving cars in acid…” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/383 "2017-11-30T17:52:03Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > “The white zone is for exploding cars. Blow up cars only in the white zone. The red zone is for dissolving cars in acid…” “Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have a demolition.” ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/384 "2017-11-30T20:19:28Z")
What’s a blown up car? About $150/ton … but that’s not important now. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/385 "2017-11-30T21:09:21Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > “You have thirty minutes to move your smoldering debris.” > [@running\_coach](#): > > The picture was disappointing. Just some wrinkles in the hood and probably frame and engine damage. > I was expecting something _The Mythbusters_ (original) would leave behind. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > I missed this the first time. Thank you. Don’t worry, Bryan, I got it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/386 "2017-12-04T04:16:21Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > “The white zone is for exploding cars. Blow up cars only in the white zone. The red zone is for dissolving cars in acid…” > [@running\_coach](#): > > “Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have a demolition.” “Don’t start up with your Sovereign Citizen shit again, Betty.” ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/387 "2017-12-04T04:24:26Z")
This thread inspired me to jump down the rabbit hole. All I can say is…David Wynn Miller…goddamn. God Damn. Could you imagine if this kind of OCD thinking was applied to something _useful?_ ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/388 "2017-12-04T07:53:45Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Now all we need is something like an oversized garbage truck with a big forklift on the front. Double parked? Meter expired? In a no parking zone? Douche took two spaces for his pwecious pickup truck? Over the shoulder and into the bin you go. Crunnnnch!!! Next! We do give miscreants the chance to claim their vehicle, and more importantly pay up first: [https://goo.gl/images/9f1Dzu](https://goo.gl/images/9f1Dzu) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/389 "2017-12-04T14:36:59Z")
Right then! How very sporting of you. Typical British sense of fair play and all that. Since every Red Blooded 'Murrican knows the police only arrest the guilty we could dispense with all that and simply use the mobile garbage compactor on each illegally parked car the cops see. Saves a lot of money on court costs, administration, and other useless technicalities. MAGA. Boy do I live in a stupid country. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/390 "2017-12-04T14:37:30Z")
Oops that didn’t go where I meant it to. I was thinking [more of this](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/14/20/2D69199C00000578-3272918-image-a-12_1444850275409.jpg): but on the other hand: [http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-04/novel-approach-to-counter-illegally-parked-car/2823964](http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-04/novel-approach-to-counter-illegally-parked-car/2823964) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/391 "2017-12-04T17:11:10Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > …but on the other hand: > [http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-04/novel-approach-to-counter-illegally-parked-car/2823964](http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-04/novel-approach-to-counter-illegally-parked-car/2823964) He’s got my vote! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097.md?page=19)