# Is there any legitimacy to the Sovereign Citizen argument?

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**Created:** [May 7, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097 "2017-05-07T22:25:12Z")\
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**Author:** ![SarahWitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@SarahWitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SarahWitch)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/196 "2017-11-26T02:26:08Z")

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> [@StusBlues](#):
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> Those were the facts, inconvenient as they may be. You seem to be making the argument that only state government is truly valid and that federal government is voluntary to some degree,

Oh, no. I expressly mentioned that the \*People \*of each state were the sovereign national authority therein; because they _are_.  
State governments were actually _below_ the federal government in the Constitution’s delegated chain-of-command, but both were completely subordinate to the People of the individual nation-state.  
FACT.  
Hope this clears things up.

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