# Is there any legitimacy to the Sovereign Citizen argument? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 7, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097 "2017-05-07T22:25:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 237
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/237 "2017-11-26T04:46:09Z")
\*\* > [@SarahWitch](#): > > If you want to write fiction, this isn’t the place for it. It was about one thing, and ONLY one thing: national sovereignty. Just silly arguments to avoid why that sovereignty was called for. For the confederacy it was national sovereignty to continue slavery. Even high schoolers know that. [QUOTE] \*\*Present John\*\*: Hi, I'm John Green, this is Crash Course US History, and today we discuss one of the most confusing questions in American history: What caused the Civil War? Just kidding, it’s not a confusing question at all; slavery caused the civil war. **Past John** : Mr. Green, Mr Green, what about, like, state’s rights, and nationalism, economics? **Present John** : Me from the past, your senior year of high school, you will be taught American Government by Mr. Fleming, _a white Southerner_ who will seem to you to be about a hundred eight-two years old, and you will say something to him in class about state’s rights, and Mr. Fleming will turn to you and he will say “A state’s right to what, sir?” And for the first time in your snotty little life you will be well and truly speechless. [/QUOTE] --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097)._