# Is there any major US city (pop \> 1M) that has a charming rural town within 30 minutes of it? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 19, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708 "2018-04-19T14:26:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/61 "2018-04-20T02:25:00Z")
I would tell you, but you might invade my charming rural town. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/62 "2018-04-20T02:49:35Z")
> [@Bumbershoot](#): > > Indianapolis might fit; it has a population of approx. 855,000 and the town of Lebanon (pop. ~16,000) is 28 miles away on I-65. It definitely has a small town feel to it, surrounded by farm country. Yup. Though I’d say that Zionsville is a better fit for the “charm” part, if not small town part (it’s a growing suburb, but the downtown is straight out of the Saturday Evening Post). And if Google is to be believed, places like Greenfield, New Palestine (cute downtown, not so charming), Whitestown, Noblesville (mostly suburbia now), Whiteland, etc. are all within the 30 minutes. Though I’m searching at 10:45pm, not during rush hour. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/63 "2018-04-20T04:00:15Z")
Woodstock, IL, is a quaint town, predating the Civil War, with a charming old-school town square\* and nearby farmland but also decent daily Metra service to downtown Chicago. Not quite a half-hour, but less than an hour by express train. \*Charming and old-school enough to play Punxsutawney in _Groundhog Day_. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/64 "2018-04-20T04:12:23Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > Woodstock, IL, is a quaint town, predating the Civil War, with a charming old-school town square\* and nearby farmland but also decent daily Metra service to downtown Chicago. Not quite a half-hour, but less than an hour by express train. > > \*Charming and old-school enough to play Punxsutawney in _Groundhog Day_. 🆒 Sorry, actually a bit over an hour by express, but you can sleep, read, etc. instead of being hunched over a steering wheel. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/65 "2018-04-20T04:36:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > San Jose, CA is large-- both in population and in area. But you don’t have to drive very far before you’re in San Martin or San Juan Batista. I’d make note of Morgan Hill, too, but I’m not sure if that qualifies as “rural” anymore. San Juan Batista is only “charming” for very small values of appeal. And Morgan Hill/San Martin is really just an exburb of San Jose at this point. However, Half Moon Bay is just over Santa Cruz Mountains from San Mateo, so if you consider the entire peninsula to be “San Francisco” and fancy a speed run across Hwy 92 it theoretically meets the o.p.’s qualifications, though I defy anyone to make good time during peak traffic hours. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/66 "2018-04-20T08:06:17Z")
Not quite rural and not quite 30 minutes. Boston. Carlisle MA is at the 35 minute mark and has quite a rural feel, farmland, no chain stores, barely any commercial property. Stow MA is 45 minutes, large undevolped areas of land, 3 golf courses, one strip mall. Step a little further out and the towns get pretty rural. At an hour out you’re in the middle of nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/67 "2018-04-20T10:09:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Our hometown might qualify. The city of Rochester, NY has a population of a little over 200,000 but if you add in the suburbs, it’s over a million. And there are certainly charming rural towns within a thirty minute drive of downtown. On a drive from Long Island to Buffalo, I realized that NY State is way more rural than I had been led to believe. Interestingly you don’t get the same impression in California or Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Gus\_Gusterson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@Gus\_Gusterson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gus_Gusterson)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/68 "2018-04-20T13:12:48Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Not quite rural and not quite 30 minutes. Boston. Carlisle MA is at the 35 minute mark and has quite a rural feel, farmland, no chain stores, barely any commercial property. Stow MA is 45 minutes, large undevolped areas of land, 3 golf courses, one strip mall. Step a little further out and the towns get pretty rural. At an hour out you’re in the middle of nowhere. I came here to mention Carlisle, too. It’s a bit further away than the requirement but it’s the friggin’ sticks. Population under 5,000 people. The minimum allowed lot size is 2 acres but 5-plus-acre properties are common. The town is considered to be nearly completely “built out”, meaning that there are few suitable undeveloped lots available. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/69 "2018-04-20T13:21:17Z")
I’m from a charming village in Ohio, but it’s more than 30 minutes to Columbus. I’d suggest Granville, Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![Mrdeals](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Mrdeals](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrdeals)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/70 "2018-04-20T13:32:48Z")
St.Paul/Minneapoli According to the population signs, Minneapolis is only 300,000 people, but, im positive its well above that. Drive 30 minutes in either direction of Minneapolis and there are tons of nice towns with populations between 1,000 and 10,000 ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/71 "2018-04-20T13:38:50Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > I don’t care about shitty winters, as long as spring - fall is nice. Oh, grasshopper… I once arrived in Cleveland at the beginning of spring and wondered why the people were so nuts. I mean, they were running out and drowning in Lake Erie, and other lesser lakes, like lemmings. Then I endured a Cleveland winter and I understood. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/72 "2018-04-20T13:51:21Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > On a drive from Long Island to Buffalo, I realized that NY State is way more rural than I had been led to believe. Interestingly you don’t get the same impression in California or Florida. Upstate New York is largely rural outside of Buffalo and Rochester. A lot of the early industrial cities like Schenectady have declined precipitously compared to national population growth, and nearly twenty percent of the land is state parks or preserves even though New York doesn’t have any major National Parks or Forests. There are plenty of areas of California that are decidedly rural, particularly in the north and east, although you may not get that impression if all you’ve seen is is the sprawls of San Francisco, San Diego, and Los Angeles. However, those areas are several hours outside of the major urban cities because of how much suburbia there is. The Kings Range/Life st Coast are can feel as remote as anywhere in Wyoming once you get away from the highways. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/73 "2018-04-20T13:51:57Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Uh, yeah. It really depends on what the OP means by small town. 60,000 (Lancaster PA) people is twice as many that live in our entire county (Summit County Colorado). Central City is about a half hour from the metro area of Denver. Some would consider it quaint and it is pretty cool. I’m not hung up on Lancaster specifically. In all reality, its the small towns immediately surrounding Lancaster I’m really talking about. Lancaster’s too small to qualify as the “big city” and really a little too big to qualify as the “small town” (though as I said I’d happily live there if it was closer to Philly - it is really close to farmland and proper small towns). ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/74 "2018-04-20T14:02:20Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > What exactly are you looking for, employment-wise? I get emails for positions every day in Wilmington; there’s lots of financial services, specifically cards there. > > Also, what about up 202 to Malvern/Chesterbrook area? Front end web development. I know all the big players in Wilmington and haven’t been able to get my foot in the door. I drive up 202 to Collegeville for my work 2 days a week. I haven’t seen anything on the way that really fits the bill, and it’s still too far from Philly. I’ve considered moving to Westchester. It would make my _current_ job easier, but again, too far from Center City if I had to work there. I am currently a consultant and am at a different place every few years. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/75 "2018-04-20T14:10:01Z")
I don’t know if it meets the OP’s criteria, but Mount Dora’s [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Dora,_Florida) actually mentions its reputation for “small town charm” and it is within 30 minutes of parts of Orlando (metro population 2,387,138). ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/76 "2018-04-20T14:11:16Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > Or is that impossible due to urban sprawl? > > I was out in Lancaster, PA the other day and wishing it was closer to Philly so I could move there. Sadly, it isn’t. Kinda. Chappell Hill is about 45 minutes NW of Houston. Primo bluebonnet viewing area and lots of small antique shops. ---
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> [@ZonexandScout](#): > > You are correct, but I think that the OP’s description of what is desired matches the RTP area pretty closely. Many of the high-tech jobs are not in downtown Raleigh, Durham, or Chapel Hill, but there are quite a few jobs available. As far as “charming” goes, there are still some areas where you can get a bit of land for a reasonable price. Any more opinions on what counts as “charming” within reasonable commute of RTP? I just got a job there, after moving to Chapel Hill for my wife’s job. We definitely like it here, but housing is relatively expensive and the rush hour drive to RTP is just barely tolerable. However, most of the areas closer to RTP that I’ve explored (SE Durham, Cary, Morrisville, etc.) seem to have few virtues other than proximity and price. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708/78 "2018-04-20T18:14:01Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > I drive up 202 to Collegeville for my work 2 days a week. I haven’t seen anything on the way that really fits the bill, and it’s still too far from Philly. I’ve considered moving to Westchester. It would make my _current_ job easier, but again, too far from Center City if I had to work there. I am currently a consultant and am at a different place every few years. I think the key to working in Center City Philly while living in a more rural area is access to SEPTA Regional Rail. Lots of more rural areas in the Lansdale area (Hatfield?) and the train runs to Lansdale. Unfortunately, when SEPTA took over the old Reading Railroad as part of their Regional Rail system, they terminated the Reading line in Norristown instead of farther out - otherwise Collegeville would be on the line. Other than distance to Center City Collegeville would meet your criteria. ETA: Now that PennDOT is finally close to finishing the 422 improvements over the Schuykill, King of Prussia/Malvern are going to be a more comfortable commute from the Collegeville/Royersford/Trappe area. ---
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If your looking for a place like you see in movies probably not. I consider parts of Ellicott City MD charming. ---
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> [@John\_Mace](#): > > San Jose, CA is large-- both in population and in area. But you don’t have to drive very far before you’re in San Martin or San Juan Batista. I’d make note of Morgan Hill, too, but I’m not sure if that qualifies as “rural” anymore. > [@dolphinboy](#): > > I don’t think Morgan Hill qualifies as ‘rural’ in any traditional sense. There may be a few farms or orchards left, but it’s rapidly being developed. The population is 44,000 and growing. Plus commuting to San Jose, assuming you take 101, can take longer than 30 minutes even on a good day. > > San Martin is more rural than Morgan Hill, but it’s further from the tech jobs. San Juan Bautista would be a great place to live, but commuting to Silicon Valley would exceed 30 minutes even on the weekend. > > The South Bay Area weather is great, but traffic is becoming a nightmare, the population continues to grow and the cost of living is higher than just about anywhere else. I lived in Morgan Hill for several years. The area is definitely still rural. You’ve got people riding horses down the main street and central town area is surrounded by farm land. It’s growing, and it’s not a small town, but you’ll feel relatively isolated if you live there. > [@septimus](#): > > San Jose certainly qualifies as major, and Google shows Woodside as less than a half-hour away. It has a charming little “downtown”, trails for horses, etc. > [Here’s a home for sale in Woodside right now if you act fast.](https://parade.com/662839/paulettecohn/see-inside-michelle-pfeiffers-29-5-million-woodside-calif-home-for-sale/) Google maps is high. You’re not getting to Woodside from San Jose in 30 minutes unless everyone else gets off the road and you’re driving a fast car like you mean it. I lived in the Santa Cruz Mountains for several years and worked in Cupertino. You could almost get to Cupertino in 30 minutes from a very rural area (pop 7500), driving a fast car, like you mean it. 😉 Eugene, OR would fit easily. Heck, drive 15 minutes and you’ve reached some tiny little agricultural something. The city just ends. Portland, OR also fits, although the traffic has gotten so bad that 30 minutes is pushing it these days. Once you’re out of the city, you will quickly hit rural in any direction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-major-us-city-pop-1m-that-has-a-charming-rural-town-within-30-minutes-of-it/812708.md?page=5)