# Is there any "Nazi Germany Wins World War 2" media that mentions what would happen to Rudolf Hess? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 13, 2022, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398 "2022-02-13T10:02:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/21 "2022-02-13T19:22:04Z")
Yeah, and his crimes against humanity were not on the level of many. > [@ekedolphin](#): > > God, Hess actually tried the amnesia defense at Nuremberg? That didn’t even work when I tried to get out of _doing my homework_ when I was a kid! Well, if it wasn’t really Hess… ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/22 "2022-02-13T19:27:04Z")
I don’t think Churchill et al. were ever in doubt as to Hess’s sanity, or lack thereof. As far as they were concerned, he was a nonentity. They never fully exploited the propaganda advantage his capture offered them, and there’s no evidence they took any account of whatever “intelligence” he supplied. What sources are you using? I recommend Ian Kershaw’s two-volume biography of Hitler in particular. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/23 "2022-02-13T19:29:34Z")
It was. > **[Exclusive: DNA solves Rudolf Hess doppelgänger conspiracy theory](https://www.newscientist.com/article/2191462-exclusive-dna-solves-rudolf-hess-doppelganger-conspiracy-theory/)** > > Adolf Hitler's deputy flew to Scotland in 1941 and was imprisoned for the rest of his life. But was the man in Spandau really Rudolf Hess? Now a DNA test has revealed the truth ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/24 "2022-02-13T19:43:52Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > What sources are you using? I recommend Ian Kershaw’s two-volume biography of Hitler in particular. I’m pulling it out of my ass since the scenario we are discussing never happened. FWIW, I’ve read several of Kershaw’s books albeit decades ago. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/25 "2022-02-13T19:49:36Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I don’t think Churchill et al. were ever in doubt as to Hess’s sanity, or lack thereof. As far as they were concerned, he was a nonentity. Obviously, we are talking about two entirely different things. It doesn’t matter what Churchill, Hitler, Hess, Goebbels or anybody else “in the know” thought. I’m talking about what they wanted everybody else, especially a defeated British public, to think. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/26 "2022-02-13T19:52:35Z")
I have a better idea for a work of fiction: Conservatives and the National Party conspire to have Wallis Simpson whacked before Edward VIII abdicates, ensuring that Britain will side with Nazi Germany. The final chapter closes with the SS “Kaledonia” Division marching into Moscow with a bagpipe band leading the way. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/27 "2022-02-13T20:07:22Z")
I wonder if that’s better or worse than the alt-history story where Japan joins the Allies and the Soviet Union launches an attack on Pearl Harbor to hit both the American and Japanese naval forces present there. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/28 "2022-02-13T20:13:06Z")
I’d like to see one where the Soviet Union and Japan go to war against each other in 1940 or '41. Both countries are drained to the point of collapse, leaving the Pacific an American lake and Europe free of Communism. ---
**Author:** ![ChasGrant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@ChasGrant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChasGrant)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/29 "2022-02-13T20:16:12Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > the alt-history story where Japan joins the Allies and the Soviet Union launches an attack on Pearl Harbor to hit both the American and Japanese naval forces present there. As a long-time althist fan would like to read that - do you recall the title? ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/30 "2022-02-13T20:20:16Z")
Yeah I’ll see if I can find it. It was REALLY dumb but in an enjoyable way. It was basically a “What if the Soviets joined the Axis?” stories and as a result Japan winds up going Allies out of self-defense. Also in this timeline with German help the Soviets are able to complete (somehow) all their naval ambitions that were never close to completion in real life, so by 1942 somehow the Soviets have dozens of battleships and aircraft carriers in the Pacific already. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2022, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398/31 "2022-02-13T23:14:25Z")
Okay, but there were doubts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-nazi-germany-wins-world-war-2-media-that-mentions-what-would-happen-to-rudolf-hess/959398.md?page=1)