I’ve met both my parents, and despite our ongoing jest that my Mom is older than time, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that neither of them actually created the universe.
(Also I saw you moving that goalpost from me being God, to me being just a child of God. Don’t think I didn’t.)
We’ve gone from run-of-the-mill religious argument, which I can take, into New Agey fluffy-bordered spirituality stuff that usually ends up dragging in angels, space aliens and ethereal chicken soup, which I cannot take without being VERY non-GD, so I’m bowing out.
So your parents didn’t define your universe for you? I think you really need to think this one over.
Jesus is the Son of God and also God, so you being a child of God are also God, thanks to Jesus.
If my parents had defined the world, my dad wouldn’t have been forced to retire. Ever. (He likey the worky.)
And even metaphorically if they had “defined my universe”, I would be Mormon like they wish I was. I’m not, though, because that reality thing? It existed independent of them and didn’t comply with their presentation of it. So no, my parents didn’t “define my universe” - that would require a level of sheltering that would be crippling and IMHO abusive.
If I was God, I wouldn’t have to hold down a job to make ends meet. (Me no likey the worky.) However, I do have to hold down a job to make ends meet. Therefore, I am not God. QED.
ETA: (And even if we ignore that, my brother is my father’s son and while I’m my father’s child I’m still not my brother or my father, so OOPS, logical failure.)
Look, I know you are trying to be all allegorical and mystical and garbage, but I’m afraid I haven’t dissociated myself from the real world, and so I’m not very receptive to mystic-sounding nonsense. Forget trying to convert me - if you want me to even stop scoffing, you’re going to have to drop the meaningless and self-contradictory allegory-speak and revert to plain english.
And if your beliefs can’t be made comprehensible in english, the language probably isn’t the thing to blame.
There is no objective evidence that there is a god to love you, if you only realize it.
Now what, besides your personal opinion and blind faith, makes your statement any more valid than mine?
You are working to make ends meet, therefor you have defined your provider (father) as your employer/company, so you will be doing their will, not your heavenly Father’s will. It is a choice one makes, to do the work of God and trust in God to provide, or to do their own work and get the benefit of that. Jesus reverses the curse of Adam:
That is why you no likely the worky., and how Jesus reverses it:
Jesus disagrees:
Here is it= “you are so much more then you believe you are.”
Your image of yourself has been molded by others (parents, TV, piers, teachers, religious authorities, etc.), most don’t have your best interest in mind. Those people have subjected you to their image of who you should be. When we are young, we have no defense and start to do things to please others, to gain acceptance, and we trust their view of us.
Once one decides for their self that there must be more and seek God, God reveals who He always wanted you to be.
begbert2, this is a perfect example of what I stated, how others push their view of reality in a way that discourages people from seeking, to mold one to their view, and once there it locks each other in to a group think. I a not suggesting that Czarcasm is intentional misleading, but also group-locked into the same pattern as I described above.
Though Czarcasm’s statement may be actually true, as I don’t know if there is ‘objective evidence’, but there is a God you can personally know, but in my experience you don’t get to Him by ‘objective evidence’.
So while it may be a true statement, is it also totally irrelevant, but designed to discourage seeking God (again not saying that this was designed personally by Czarcasm for this purpose, just he is repeating what has come from his background).
What happens when one has a heart transplant? Are they then led by some one other that your mind?
From:
http://www.med.unc.edu/wellness/main/links/cellular%20memory.htm
Which has many examples of memories/tendencies in organs from the donor including:
Actually I’m my company’s provider - I do the work that keeps them alive. They come pleading to me, offering me gifts of money and insurance coverage in return for extending my powerful hand to them and giving them life. I guess that makes me the father, huh?
And I have no interest in being a shiftless do-nothing bum living in my parent’s basement, thanks.
He was just saying that to avoid getting stoned to death. (Quick thinker, that Jesus.) In actuality he’s quoting Psalm 82 out of context. And let’s look at that Psalm, shall we?
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
So. Who is God speaking to here? It says he’s talking to gods. Is this metaphor? I think not. Take note of 82:7: “But you will die like mere men”. If these gods were mere men, then God would not have said this. (Pause for desperate fanwanky “interpretation”.)
When not wallowing in apologetics, it’s clear that this Psalm presents to us a view of a level of beings above mankind and below God, who God is chewing out for helping the bad people. I have no doubt that you are well aware of this psalm, because it sounds a lot like the polytheistic worldview you’ve constructed, with false gods behind every rock. And it’s also clear that when people quote this psalm and pretend it’s talking about men, and say that it says that men are the son of God, then they are misinterpreting it, very possibly for the purposes of deception.
Of course, as noted, this deception saved Jesus’s skin, so you can’t really fault him for the subterfuge. Too bad this corruption of scripture has spread ever since.
The word is “peers”.
And my self-image is self-constructed. Don’t project sheeplike attitudes on me.
Your statements are exactly the same, trying to push your view of reality in a way that discourages people from seeking other views - the only difference is that your flavor of group-think is different than his, and unlike his, yours misrepresents reality. (Heck, yours misrepresents the Bible.) You think yourself to be in some elevated state, speaking Truth with a capital T, but in actuality you are only another human expressing your own biased opinions. And given the choice of two humans’ opinions, I’ll pick the one that’s biased by reality over the one that’s biased by the personal voices in their head.
The recipient is then using the dead person’s heart…how nice!! Wonder what would have happened if one was bad but recieved another heart ot vise versa.
Heh…
“I’ve raped, pillaged, murdered, blasphemed, burned churches to the ground, and foreclosed on 150 orphanages…but I have enough money and access to unethical MDs to pay to have the heart of a 12-year-old boy, raised by nuns from birth, transplanted into my chest. I’m goin’ to HEAVEN, baby!”
Works for me, if this guy can get we are all set.
What makes you think your Father has nothing for you to do, even before the fall, God gave Adam stuff to do.
I got a good laugh out of this. The scriptures testify about Jesus, and the Word is Jesus. Anyway the psalm and Jesus’ context are both valid and not in conflict. Men are gods ever since Adam (Gen 3:22)
God respects man as his own god, which He is, so He refers to man as a god, which is only fitting.
There is a time in the oppressed man’s life where he will cry out to God, there are many instances of this in scripture. It is when the man surrenders his godhood and accepts the Lord as god, after which time the Lord reclaims His people by doing whatever it takes to rescue us from the other gods.
This goes for your company as well, if you oppress your workers to the point that they cry out to God, God will remove them from you, no matter what the cost is to you, they are His people at that point and you as a god are standing in between a parent God going to rescue His children.
And raise a little Hell.