# Is there any truth regarding the innuendo surrounding Trump and Ivanka? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 13, 2016, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620 "2016-12-13T17:10:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/81 "2016-12-15T03:47:18Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > šŸ˜ƒ > > While I donā€™t ever wear shades (due to getting raccoon eyes easily), thereā€™s a perfectly reasonable explanation on why some people wear them backwards: when you donā€™t need/want to wear them, thereā€™s often no safe place to put them. Sashaā€™s boyfriend (if thatā€™s what the guy in the pic is) probably doesnā€™t want to put his expensive pair in the pocket of his hoodie. They can easily fall out. And resting them on his forehead, as some do, would cause whatever product (gel, pomade, etc.) is in his hair to get onto the lenses. It could be something like how those Indian villagers wear masks on the back of their heads to deter tigers from sneaking up on them. If you were walking through the hood with shades on backwards, youā€™d just look like another cool jivester moonwalking down the sidewalk. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/82 "2016-12-15T03:48:38Z")
And you were handing out the diplomas. ETA: That was intended for **pleks** ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/83 "2016-12-15T05:29:30Z")
Diplomas for the one guy who believes he got monies worth? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/84 "2016-12-15T10:38:01Z")
Aaaaand heā€™s gone. But Iā€™m sure those of us who knew him will never forget the valuable contribution made to this board by whatshisname. ---
**Author:** ![Covert\_Harris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@Covert\_Harris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covert_Harris)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/85 "2016-12-15T13:17:44Z")
I am almost sure this is nuts, however itā€™s what I intuit. Itā€™s hard to believe, but Mr. Trump is a student of Jungian psychology, and he attributes his success to his Jungian understanding more than to any other factor (I read this in his ā€œHow to Get Richā€). I am also a student, and from that study I understand how powerful the romantic attraction for a daughter can be. Itā€™s normally unconscious, but it can become conscious, and acceptable, with understanding. (I donā€™t have any kids, by the way.) I hypothesized that the driving force behind Trumpā€™s amazing and exalted political accomplishment was the quest to elevate himself to a place deserving of Ivankaā€™s romantic reciprocation. Just being a billionaire business big shot was not enough. Other momentous world events have had as ignoble a spark. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/86 "2016-12-15T15:16:27Z")
> [@Covert\_Harris](#): > > I am almost sure this is nuts, however itā€™s what I intuit. Itā€™s hard to believe, but Mr. Trump is a student of Jungian psychology, and he attributes his success to his Jungian understanding more than to any other factor (I read this in his ā€œHow to Get Richā€). I am also a student, and from that study I understand how powerful the romantic attraction for a daughter can be. Itā€™s normally unconscious, but it can become conscious, and acceptable, with understanding. (I donā€™t have any kids, by the way.) I hypothesized that the driving force behind Trumpā€™s amazing and exalted political accomplishment was the quest to elevate himself to a place deserving of Ivankaā€™s romantic reciprocation. Just being a billionaire business big shot was not enough. Other momentous world events have had as ignoble a spark. I have a young daughter and IMHO the above is creepy as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/87 "2016-12-15T15:43:16Z")
> [@Covert\_Harris](#): > > I am almost sure this is nuts, however itā€™s what I intuit. Itā€™s hard to believe, but Mr. Trump is a student of Jungian psychology, and he attributes his success to his Jungian understanding more than to any other factor (I read this in his ā€œHow to Get Richā€). I am also a student, and from that study I understand how powerful the romantic attraction for a daughter can be. Itā€™s normally unconscious, but it can become conscious, and acceptable, with understanding. (I donā€™t have any kids, by the way.) I hypothesized that the driving force behind Trumpā€™s amazing and exalted political accomplishment was the quest to elevate himself to a place deserving of Ivankaā€™s romantic reciprocation. Just being a billionaire business big shot was not enough. Other momentous world events have had as ignoble a spark. Whatā€™s your source for Trumpā€™s interest in Jung? Googling the names produced a couple of Jungian explanations for Trumpā€“but no indication of any ā€œstudy.ā€ Iā€™ve spent some time reading Old Man Jungā€“I like that myth & legend stuff & he could spin a yearn. But Trump is famous for Not Reading Books. Oh, one of ā€œhisā€ books mentioned Jung? Heā€™s also famous for Not Writing Books. Back to the OP: I doubt Trump has done anything to Ivanka. But his classless remarks about her just reveal another layer of his deeply trashy character. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/88 "2016-12-15T16:24:43Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Thereā€™s nothing wrong with the green streaks in her hair. Not shocking certainly. But the lap dance one is a tad too much, donā€™t you think? Also the one where heā€™s grabbing her boobs in the biker pic and the one with his hand on her ass. The bad hair stuff and even the see-through top are meh. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/89 "2016-12-15T16:25:36Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Back to the OP: I doubt Trump has done anything to Ivanka. But his classless remarks about her just reveal another layer of his deeply trashy character. Heh. Orange trash. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/90 "2016-12-15T16:39:13Z")
> [@Covert\_Harris](#): > > I am almost sure this is nuts, however itā€™s what I intuit. Itā€™s hard to believe, but Mr. Trump is a student of Jungian psychology, and he attributes his success to his Jungian understanding more than to any other factor (I read this in his ā€œHow to Get Richā€). I am also a studentā€¦ There is no evidence that Jungian psychology is any more accurate in describing the real world than is Greek mythology. ---
**Author:** ![Covert\_Harris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@Covert\_Harris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covert_Harris)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/91 "2016-12-15T18:14:10Z")
Bridget, while his books were largely ghosted, I donā€™t believe a ghost would make up a bunch of first person narrative ostensibly from Trump about the particulars of what he derived from Carl Jung. The chapter was entitled something about Carl Jung. As I mentioned, it was in his ā€œHow to Get Richā€ book. Incidentally, I happened to read it only because a retired cosmetic dentist for the rich and famous in Palm Beach, who my wife and I rent our winter oceanfront condo from, had Trump for a patient in his practice. He knows Trump and had that book on one of his book shelves, so for the heck of it I read it. It impressed more than I would have thought. ---
**Author:** ![Covert\_Harris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@Covert\_Harris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covert_Harris)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/92 "2016-12-15T18:17:42Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > There is no evidence that Jungian psychology is any more accurate in describing the real world than is Greek mythology. For heavenā€™s sake, you must know, or you wouldnā€™t have used that example, Greek mythology and Jungā€™s archetypes are largely one in the same thing. Both very much describe the real world, just ask Joe Campbell, if you can reach him in the after life. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/93 "2016-12-15T21:50:07Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > Not shocking certainly. But the lap dance one is a tad too much, donā€™t you think? Also the one where heā€™s grabbing her boobs in the biker pic and the one with his hand on her ass. > > The bad hair stuff and even the see-through top are meh. Oh, Iā€™m not saying anything about any other pictures than the green hair. That oneā€™s okay. Some of the others are creepy. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/94 "2016-12-15T23:02:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Conan never mentioned that when your enemies are driven before you theyā€™ll be whinging about how faux-alpha and tiny-dicked you are the whole time. šŸ˜ƒ If we want to really use fictional heroes as examples, Conan just handled his business personally instead of tweeting about it, and he didnā€™t ā€œhave peopleā€ to do it for him. Conan would spit on him. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/95 "2016-12-16T10:12:05Z")
> [@Covert\_Harris](#): > > Bridget, while his books were largely ghosted, I donā€™t believe a ghost would make up a bunch of first person narrative ostensibly from Trump about the particulars of what he derived from Carl Jung. The chapter was entitled something about Carl Jung. As I mentioned, it was in his ā€œHow to Get Richā€ book. Why not? I know a ghost writer (not Trumpā€™s); writing first-person narratives to make the subject sound smarter and more eloquent is _what they do_. And given the quality of the material we know Trump writes personally (and given the reports of some of his ghost writers), I have a very hard time believing heā€™s capable of producing a coherent narrative about ā€œwhat he derived from Carl Jungā€ on his own. ---
**Author:** ![Covert\_Harris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@Covert\_Harris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covert_Harris)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/96 "2016-12-16T11:04:17Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Why not? I know a ghost writer (not Trumpā€™s); writing first-person narratives to make the subject sound smarter and more eloquent is _what they do_. And given the quality of the material we know Trump writes personally (and given the reports of some of his ghost writers), I have a very hard time believing heā€™s capable of producing a coherent narrative about ā€œwhat he derived from Carl Jungā€ on his own. Oh, because a penchant for Jung is esoteric and ouĀ·trĆ©. Advocacy for something more masculine and regular, like the _Power of Positive Thinking_, or some such, might play better, I would think, unless Trump really did find value in Jung. And, as I said, understanding of archetypes could unencumber the way to appreciating oneā€™s daughter romantically, if he does. But so could psychopathy, and of course I donā€™t know. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/97 "2016-12-16T11:12:17Z")
> [@Covert\_Harris](#): > > Oh, because a penchant for Jung is esoteric and ouĀ·trĆ©. No - itā€™s because coherent and well-articulated introspection is not something Donald Trump is personally capable of. I tend not to care much about whatā€™s ā€œoutrĆ©ā€. > [@](#): > > Advocacy for something more masculine and regular, like the _Power of Positive Thinking_, or some such, might play better, I would think, unless Trump really did find value in Jung. And, as I said, understanding of archetypes could unencumber the way to appreciating oneā€™s daughter romantically, if he does. But so could psychopathy, and of course I donā€™t know. You seem to suggest in this and your previous posts that to ā€œunencumber the way to appreciating oneā€™s daughter romanticallyā€ is a positive thing. Is that your view, or are you just waxing theoretical here? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/98 "2016-12-16T13:59:44Z")
Even if Trump has never studied the works of Jung, he embodies those traits. Because, of course, he is Jung at heart. Iā€™ll show myself out. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/99 "2016-12-16T15:32:32Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Even if Trump has never studied the works of Jung, he embodies those traits. Because, of course, he is Jung at heart. > > Iā€™ll show myself out. Personally, I think heā€™s Jung like a sea horse. ---
**Author:** ![Covert\_Harris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@Covert\_Harris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covert_Harris)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620/100 "2016-12-16T17:33:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > No - itā€™s because coherent and well-articulated introspection is not something Donald Trump is personally capable of. I tend not to care much about whatā€™s ā€œoutrĆ©ā€. > > You seem to suggest in this and your previous posts that to ā€œunencumber the way to appreciating oneā€™s daughter romanticallyā€ is a positive thing. Is that your view, or are you just waxing theoretical here? I think it would be a positive thing if the participants wanted it, and the daughter was an adult; but it wouldnā€™t work for most people, and most of them wouldnā€™t seek it. For a special few, I could see it being more rewarding than a non-familial heterosexual relationship, because it would in most cases be more intimate. And if oneā€™s daughter looked like Ivanka, the odds of it being a good idea would be upped, at least for the father. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-truth-regarding-the-innuendo-surrounding-trump-and-ivanka/774620.md?page=6)