# Is there no end to the greasiness of the Clintons? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 29, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525 "2008-01-29T23:02:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/1 "2008-01-29T23:02:55Z")
While Obama honors the pledge he made to the Democratic Party to bypass the Florida primary, Hillary, having made the same pledge, plans to make an appearance tonight to thank people for voting and promise to fight for the appointment of delegates from their votes, according to her spokesman on MSNBC. First of all, who in their right mind would even believe this lying hag when she has already stabbed her own party leaders in the back? But more importantly, if she was going to fight for their votes to count, why didn’t she do it BEFORE polls indicated she might win? So the gist of it is that the primary isn’t sanctioned by the Democratic Party, its votes don’t even count, but Hillary is going to show up to claim “victory” and use the situation to claim elsewhere that she has some sort of momentum. No wonder the Kennedys finally washed their hands of this trailer park couple. Who with any class would want to identify with them? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/2 "2008-01-29T23:07:05Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] But more importantly, if she was going to fight for their votes to count, why didn’t she do it BEFORE polls indicated she might win? [/QUOTE] :dubious: Come now. That answers itself. Besides, she’s not breaking her no-campaigning pledge if she shows up **after** the polls close. I voted today. The polling place was the emptiest I’ve ever seen it, and the volunteers aren’t even bothering to hand out “I VOTED!” stickers. Rather a pity, as a rather important [property tax amendment](http://www.nbc15online.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5df5f26c-cc9c-4c8a-b778-f921633eaf2c) was also on the ballot. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/3 "2008-01-29T23:18:39Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] \ Who with any class would want to identify with them? [/QUOTE] Not I… If the voting public doesn’t see this as smarmy and dubious - they won’t see anything at all…Media outlets are already all over this crap. To me, I’m psyched she’s going to show up in Florida - proves beyond a shadow of a doubt she’d never have gotten my vote. BHO baby…ramp it up! BTW - she was in my state last night campaigning in Hartford, she didn’t even pack the house to capacity according a collegue who was at the Hartford Magnet Middle School. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/4 "2008-01-29T23:21:00Z")
Forget it, Jake, it’s politics. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/5 "2008-01-29T23:23:13Z")
How is it “greasy” for her to appear in Florida after the primary is over? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/6 "2008-01-29T23:36:55Z")
I ran across [this article](http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20080125/pl_cq_politics/politics2661124_1) a few days ago. > [@](#): > > Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday that she would work to seat the entire convention delegations for Florida and Michigan despite sanctions from the national party for the states’ non-compliance with its rules. > > “I believe our nominee will need the enthusiastic support of Democrats in these states to win the general election, and so I will ask my Democratic convention delegates to support seating the delegations from Florida and Michigan,” Clinton said in a statement released four days before the Florida primary. This is, of course, after the Michigan primary had already taken place (Clinton won, as Obama and Edwards were not on the ballot). I won’t agree with the OP that this is confirmation of a long line of unethical behavior, and I believe that the nomination process should be changed to bring more people into it and reduce the influence of particular states. But any seven-year-old knows that it’s not fair to change the rules to your benefit once a contest has started. I was not a great fan of hers before this, and this action is unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/7 "2008-01-29T23:49:51Z")
They didn’t pledge to avoid the Florida primary they pledged not to campaign there, which she has not done. Obama has been running ads there which sounds more like breaking the pledge to me. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/8 "2008-01-29T23:57:05Z")
[QUOTE=Antinor01] They didn’t pledge to avoid the Florida primary they pledged not to campaign there, which she has not done. Obama has been running ads there which sounds more like breaking the pledge to me. [/QUOTE] Hillary and John have ads there as well not just Obama - Hillary is clearly going to florida and I could care less if she says it’s not campaigning. Hillary’s life is campaiging until the nominee is voted…she’s skating a thin line for all to see…people aren’t dumb. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/9 "2008-01-30T00:10:40Z")
[QUOTE=Antinor01] They didn’t pledge to avoid the Florida primary they pledged not to campaign there, which she has not done. Obama has been running ads there which sounds more like breaking the pledge to me. [/QUOTE] Obama has been running 50 state ads on cable television. Why? Because it is not possible to run 49 state ads. If this is campaigning, you have a broad definition of it. I’m hoping an Obama surge gives him the Florida beauty contest. I would have voted for Obama in a heartbeat in our primary, but he was not on the ballot. Nor were write-ins allowed. For Billary to claim that the Michigan delegates should be seated according to the results of a primary where the voters were told it would not count and were not able to cast their ballots for anyone but her is preposterous. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/10 "2008-01-30T00:18:43Z")
Obama received the blessing of the DNC before buying a nation-wide ad on CNN. CNN said that they had no way of keeping an ad out of a single state. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/11 "2008-01-30T00:18:55Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] While Obama honors the pledge he made to the Democratic Party to bypass the Florida primary, Hillary, having made the same pledge, plans to make an appearance tonight to thank people for voting and promise to fight for the appointment of delegates from their votes, according to her spokesman on MSNBC. First of all, who in their right mind would even believe this lying hag when she has already stabbed her own party leaders in the back? But more importantly, if she was going to fight for their votes to count, why didn’t she do it BEFORE polls indicated she might win? So the gist of it is that the primary isn’t sanctioned by the Democratic Party, its votes don’t even count, but Hillary is going to show up to claim “victory” and use the situation to claim elsewhere that she has some sort of momentum. No wonder the Kennedys finally washed their hands of this trailer park couple. Who with any class would want to identify with them? [/QUOTE] Agreed. She’s doing the exact same thing in Michigan where she was the only major candidate who left their name on the ballot. Now that she’s “won,” she suddenly wants the voice of the people to count. :rolleyes: What she’s actually doing is pretty much the opposite. If the cunt actually cared about the voice of the people being heard, she’d push to allow the states to run a second later primary or caucus where the votes would count and delegates could be seated. This is just vote stealing. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/12 "2008-01-30T00:26:43Z")
Whoops. My error on the DNC comment. He cleared it with the South Carolina Democratic party chair because the pledge wasn’t to the DNC, it was to the party chairs of the four “early voter” states. Carol Fowler, the SC party chair, gave it her blessing and the other three chairs said they’d go along with SC since they already held their primaries. ---
**Author:** ![Terraplane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Terraplane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terraplane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/13 "2008-01-30T00:37:31Z")
[QUOTE=Terrifel] How is it “greasy” for her to appear in Florida after the primary is over? [/QUOTE] Besides the fact that she’s celebrating a victory that isn’t there is also the fact that she made this public just before the primary. That, along with promising to fight to make the delegates count, is basically an attempt to appeal to Florida voters. It’s not technically campaigning, but it’s probably even more effective than an ad campaign would be. Notice though, she didn’t start doing this until it was close enough that her lead was completely solid. If she really gave a damn, she would have protested this from the start instead of waiting until now. She doesn’t care about Florida voters, just Florida votes. And on top of all that, giving Florida its vote back will only give legitimacy to Florida’s and Michigan’s attempt to get a jump on the primary process. Allowing states to jump forward like these two tried to do means the next primaries will start the week after inauguration. What she’s asking for will only hurt the party but she doesn’t care because hey, she’s Hillary Clinton and she by God deserves to win no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/14 "2008-01-30T00:46:51Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Hillary and John have ads there as well not just Obama - Hillary is clearly going to florida and I could care less if she says it’s not campaigning. Hillary’s life is campaiging until the nominee is voted…she’s skating a thin line for all to see…people aren’t dumb. [/QUOTE] She’s going to fundraisers which are allowed under the pledge they signed. You may view that as campaigning, but the DNC obviously doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/15 "2008-01-30T00:55:10Z")
[QUOTE=Antinor01] She’s going to fundraisers which are allowed under the pledge they signed. You may view that as campaigning, but the DNC obviously doesn’t. [/QUOTE] The DNC obviously doesn’t view the state as having any delegates either, but she’s going to fight that. Sounds like she gives a damn what the DNC says only when it suits her. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/16 "2008-01-30T01:11:31Z")
According to CNN, Clinton is leading Obama in the Florida vote as predicted; on the Pub side, Romney and McCain are neck-and-neck. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/17 "2008-01-30T01:17:48Z")
Hard to get too worked up about this. FL isn’t a winner-take-all state for the Dems, is it? If it were, I’d be suspicious of her efforts to reinstate the delegates. So maybe she’ll end with a few more than Obama (or maybe not) if she wins, but I just don’t see it as any big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/18 "2008-01-30T01:31:36Z")
See, now this is what trying to throw an election looks like. Look long and hard, guys, because this time it’s one of your favorite so…er, daughters, not your mortal enemy, and this time it is blatantly obvious. God but I hope this backfires on her. I want to see Obama go all the way. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/19 "2008-01-30T01:32:38Z")
FL is proportional like the rest but Clinton had (and has) a huge lead there which _might_ have been narrowed if the other candidates had campaigned there. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525/20 "2008-01-30T01:44:35Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] See, now this is what trying to throw an election looks like. Look long and hard, guys, because this time it’s one of your favorite so…er, daughters, not your mortal enemy, and this time it is blatantly obvious. God but I hope this backfires on her. I want to see Obama go all the way. [/QUOTE] I wouldn’t call this an effort to throw an election. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-no-end-to-the-greasiness-of-the-clintons/435525.md?page=2)