# Is this a real conspiracy theory? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2013, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730 "2013-05-19T06:50:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/1 "2013-05-19T06:50:45Z")
I was reading about Pete Santilli, a website host who’s saying that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama should be shot. And he’s rambling on about all the things he’s claimed they did. There was the stuff I expected about Benghazi but then he went on to say that Clinton and Obama was involved in the bin Laden conspiracy. Apparently he believes that the killing of bin Laden was faked and all of the SEALs who were on the supposed mission have been killed by the government because they knew the truth. Is this a real conspiracy theory that’s floating around out there or did Santilli come up with this one on his own? I should point out that Santilli is a bi-partisan who also thinks the Bushes should be shot, for their role in the 9/11 attacks (George W) and the JFK assassination (George HW). And he apparently has an interesting theory about the Sandy Hook school shooting that involves Satanism, Stonehenge, the Aztecs, and Batman. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/2 "2013-05-19T07:19:03Z")
He is not bi-partisan-he is insane. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/3 "2013-05-19T07:39:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > He is not bi-partisan-he is insane. Probably. But is the idea that the SEAL team has been murdered just something he came up with on his own or has it been circulating around conspiracy nut sites for him to hear? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/4 "2013-05-19T07:47:57Z")
A 30 second google search shows that the idea is being posted on quite a few cp websites. None of which offer any evidence apart from the mention of the actual helicopter accident that happened in Afghanistan and killed some SEALS. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/5 "2013-05-19T08:14:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Probably. But is the idea that the SEAL team has been murdered just something he came up with on his own or has it been circulating around conspiracy nut sites for him to hear? How would we know the source? Even if it’s on a dozen sites, they may all originate with him, or some other particular loon. Most of these places don’t credit the theory originator. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/6 "2013-05-19T08:15:00Z")
Now a days it seems the only answer for this question: > [@](#): > > Is this a real conspiracy theory? In a word yes. It’s like Rule #34, if you mention it there is now a CT about it, and also porn. (sigh) ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/7 "2013-05-19T09:21:38Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And he apparently has an interesting theory about the Sandy Hook school shooting that involves Satanism, Stonehenge, the Aztecs, and Batman. What? We all know it was Elvis, Jesus, and the Beatles. Dude’s crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/8 "2013-05-19T16:26:33Z")
> [@Foggy](#): > > It’s like Rule #34, if you mention it there is now a CT about it, and also porn. > [@Darth\_Nader](#): > > We all know it was Elvis, Jesus, and the Beatles. And Ron Jeremy. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/9 "2013-05-19T16:42:44Z")
I don’t think Hitlery had anything to do with the fake killing of Bin Laden. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/10 "2013-05-19T16:53:41Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I don’t think Hitlery had anything to do with the fake killing of Bin Laden. So you’re saying that Elvis, Jesus, Ron Jeremy, and the Beatles acted alone? _Now who’s crazy?_ ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/11 "2013-05-19T16:59:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Probably. But is the idea that the SEAL team has been murdered just something he came up with on his own or has it been circulating around conspiracy nut sites for him to hear? In Conspiracy Theorist world, nothing is ever an accident. I’d guess that big woo forums were proposing CT’s on it from the moment the news hit the airwaves. One way to be a big man in the CT world is to be first with the crazy idea. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/12 "2013-05-19T17:05:49Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > A 30 second google search shows that the idea is being posted on quite a few cp websites. None of which offer any evidence apart from the mention of the actual helicopter accident that happened in Afghanistan and killed some SEALS. No SEALs died in the helicopter crash. > **[Killing of Osama bin Laden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden)** > > On May 2,\[a\] 2011, the United States conducted Operation Neptune Spear, in which SEAL Team Six shot and killed Osama bin Laden at his "Waziristan Haveli" in Abbottabad, Pakistan. Bin Laden, who founded al-Qaeda and masterminded the September 11 attacks, had been the subject of a United States military manhunt since the beginning of the War in Afghanistan, but escaped to Pakistan—allegedly with Pakistani support—during or after the Battle of Tora Bora in December 2001. The mission was part of ... ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/13 "2013-05-19T17:38:22Z")
The killing of Osama was real all right. What they don’t want you to know is that he had been on the Democratic Party payroll since 1995 when Bill and Hillary turned him. They had to take him out after he accepted an offer from the New York Post to go public with his story. Why else do you think President Bill stained Monica’s dress? It wasn’t for the sex —Clinton had a bevy of 13-year old Indonesian and Kenyan girls stashed away in the White House subbasement — it was a distraction for Judge Starr, who was hot on a trail that would have led him to al-Qaedagate. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/14 "2013-05-19T17:45:37Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Clinton had a bevy of 13-year old Indonesian and Kenyan girls stashed away in the White House subbasement And one of those 13 year old girls is Barack Obama’s real mother. That’s right. Bill Clinton is Obama’s father. Surely that doesn’t make any sense, you ask. But when you think about it, doesn’t it make sense? I’m just asking questions. Think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/15 "2013-05-19T17:50:21Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > No SEALs died in the helicopter crash. > > [Killing of Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden) He’s talking about [this crash.](http://abcnews.go.com/International/helicopter-shot-25-navy-seals-dead-crash-afghanistan/t/story?id=14245387) ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/16 "2013-05-19T17:53:57Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He’s talking about [this crash.](http://abcnews.go.com/International/helicopter-shot-25-navy-seals-dead-crash-afghanistan/t/story?id=14245387) I should have known that when he wrote Afghanistan instead of Pakistan. Oh well, my apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/17 "2013-05-19T18:07:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Apparently he believes that the killing of bin Laden was faked and all of the SEALs who were on the supposed mission have been killed by the government because they knew the truth. > > Is this a real conspiracy theory that’s floating around out there or did Santilli come up with this one on his own? This is a real conspiracy theory that seems to be common amongst those who believe bin Laden died of kidney failure in 2001. Visit the _Zero Dark Thirty_ board at the IMDb to see it in the wild. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/18 "2013-05-19T19:50:46Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > [QUOTE=septimus] > Clinton had a bevy of 13-year old Indonesian and Kenyan girls stashed away in the White House subbasement And one of those 13 year old girls is Barack Obama’s real mother. That’s right. Bill Clinton is Obama’s father. Surely that doesn’t make any sense, you ask. But when you think about it, doesn’t it make sense? [/QUOTE] No, it doesn’t. Good heavens, man, you’re implying that Obama was born in the United States. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/19 "2013-05-19T19:56:49Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > No, it doesn’t. Good heavens, man, you’re implying that Obama was born in the United States. Not at all. When they got pregnant, the women were shipped out to a breeding farm in Kenya. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730/20 "2013-05-19T20:30:33Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > No, it doesn’t. Good heavens, man, you’re implying that Obama was born in the United States. No, because the flag flying in front of the hospital where Obama was born had a gold fringe. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-conspiracy-theory/658730.md?page=2)