# Is this a real place (image of broken ship in a valley) **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [November 18, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849 "2020-11-18T02:57:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/41 "2020-11-19T23:39:26Z")
Awesome work @GuanoLad And [here’s](https://www.google.com/maps/@46.592756,8.4615323,3a,75y,231.46h,87.87t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNs-QC98EF1M0QTw84SUkvQ4SAUGeCR2TQ7Oxmv!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNs-QC98EF1M0QTw84SUkvQ4SAUGeCR2TQ7Oxmv%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya310.12238-ro0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352!5m1!1e2) what the scene looks like in winter! I think the railway actually runs past the far end of the valley. The track down in the bottom appears to be just a hiking trail, as far as I can see ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/42 "2020-11-20T00:16:25Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Something is not working for me on your GoogleMaps link, It’s just a direct link to the Steinstafel Bridge in 3D mode. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/43 "2020-11-20T00:47:28Z")
What I get is picture-map of an area centered ~1/2 mile northeast of the railway bridge more or less centered on the “Hotel Teifenbach” with an open search tab filled in with “steinstafel bridge” as the query and with lots of hits none of which are that bridge; it’s just not in in the list of search results. Weird. And at the zoom level of the picture, the unlabeled unidentified bridge that I believe is steinstafel is off-window; I’ve got to drag things aways to bring it into view. But I can find it from there. I’m not disputing that you’ve solved the puzzle correctly. I’ve experienced lots of weirdnesses in the past here GoogleMaps links, even those I create, don’t deliver what they’re supposed to. Even on the same computer they were created on. Congrats nevertheless for some excellent work. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/44 "2020-11-20T01:20:10Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I’ve experienced lots of weirdnesses in the past here GoogleMaps links I often wonder if I should link directly to Google Maps in case it fails. I suspect that depending on the app you use, you might get different results to what I expect. Phones, third party, browser proprietary code, all can interfere. Annoying. But on the other hand, every time I test it myself it works fine, so I’m not sure much can be done. I figure if the search terms still show in the text field, people can fill in the blanks themselves. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/45 "2020-11-20T04:20:09Z")
Are we some crazy internet railway stalkers or what? \* high five \* ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/46 "2020-11-20T04:39:36Z")
Extremely impressive! 🤜 🤛 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/47 "2020-11-20T08:40:03Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I think the railway actually runs past the far end of the valley. The track down in the bottom appears to be just a hiking trail, as far as I can see Looking at some more photos, I was clearly wrong about this, and just suck at interpreting maps against photos. Sorry - you’re right, the ‘road’ is indeed the train track. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/48 "2020-11-20T08:45:09Z")
There is a highway, and a hotel sits alone along it, which is where the photo was taken from, but they’re high up the slope. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/49 "2020-11-20T08:53:06Z")
Yeah, I was trying to use the photo/streetview on Google Maps to figure it out, and I misjudged the distance between the viewpoint at the railway track, which made me think the railway track actually ran perpendicular to the far end of the valley we’re looking down, but that would have made no sense given you actually found this by looking for the railway. Just me being a map doofus - sorry. I actually want to go and spend a day or two in that hotel now, and take a trip along that railway ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/50 "2020-11-20T08:54:49Z")
Me too! Exploring the Alps like this just amazed me at its beauty! Mountains everywhere you look! I mean, I love my New Zealand homeland, but Switzerland’s a whole other level. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/51 "2020-11-20T13:12:33Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > > [@LSLGuy](#): > > > > I’ve experienced lots of weirdnesses in the past here GoogleMaps links > > I often wonder if I should link directly to Google Maps in case it fails. I suspect that depending on the app you use, you might get different results to what I expect. Phones, third party, browser proprietary code, all can interfere. Annoying. > … Annoying for sure. For sharing GoogleMaps, I’ve taken to adjusting everything until it looks just right, then using the “embed map” feature. Starting from the hamburger menu at upper left, choose “share or embed map” then in the popup select the “embed map” choice across the top and click [Copy HTML]. That gives you a full set of html inside \\<\iframe\> tags. Then just paste that here. e.g. https://www.google.com/maps/embed?pb=!1m14!1m12!1m3!1d25525.910484994765!2d-74.03941965803162!3d40.689542178446835!2m3!1f0!2f0!3f0!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!5e1!3m2!1sen!2sus!4v1605877672611!5m2!1sen!2sus That _seems_ less troublesome for other users. I don’t know for sure, so it’d be interesting to hear any feedback on my example here. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/52 "2020-11-20T13:14:35Z")
He should’a took a left at Albuquerque. 😈 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/53 "2020-11-20T13:56:04Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > That _seems_ less troublesome for other users. I don’t know for sure, so it’d be interesting to hear any feedback on my example here. I usually find that the browser URL and parameters update themselves as I move around. I usually check it will work for other people by pasting it into an incognito tab ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/54 "2020-11-21T12:19:21Z")
Went right to the Freeman site on 11/21. Holy Cow! Thanks for posting this. Dan ---
**Author:** ![carmatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@carmatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carmatic)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/55 "2021-11-26T22:55:15Z")
the artist is Frank Shlamp and the title of the picture is ‘Final Flood 2’ > **[Frank Schlamp](https://1x.com/frank_s)** > > Browse 200,000 curated photos from photographers all over the world ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/56 "2021-11-27T03:30:46Z")
Yeah, that was my first goofy thought too! ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849/57 "2021-11-27T10:19:07Z")
The site opens for me, but many of the States do not. There is a European equivalent [https://www.forgottenairfields.com/](https://www.forgottenairfields.com/) which is still very much a work in progress. If you travel around the UK you might spot dozens of former WW2 airfields. Even where the site has been returned to agricultural use, the concrete control tower often remains. Farmers were pretty good at repurposing hangars too. Most were small grass runways for fighters, but the concrete runways needed for bombers (British and American) are hard to dispose of. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-a-real-place-image-of-broken-ship-in-a-valley/925849.md?page=2)