# Is this bestiality, and if so should it be illegal? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 17, 2009, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134 "2009-10-17T11:48:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Congo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df788c/32.png) [@Congo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Congo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/21 "2009-10-18T00:22:03Z")
I must confess that uhm, I really like cats to lick my palms and wrists. It’s not sexual, it’s like having an itch/tickle, an ickle. Only cats work however, what with their barbed pen… sandpaper tongues. /long time lurk ---
**Author:** ![Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/22 "2009-10-18T00:34:00Z")
We already eat animals, I’m not sure I’d care enough to make it illegal for people to have sex with them too. Same with vegetables, I’ve seen people do incredible things with cucumbers and marrows. Although I would generally agree that actual animal cruelty should be illegal, I have a hard time reconciling that whilst chomping on a big juicy steak. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/23 "2009-10-18T01:18:16Z")
Apocryphal? We’re on the internet. It doesn’t take much effort to find videos of a woman bending over and her pet canine leaping to the occasion. Dogs will hump legs either from tables or people. An upturned female bottom sends them into a hormonal frenzy. Uh, so I hear anyways. From clinical psychologists who study this sort of sick, deviant behavior. Yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/24 "2009-10-18T01:24:19Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Actually, I think a more interesting question is “How?” as in how such an act, assuming it was made illegal, would be investigated, prosecuted and punished? A law like this is like a law banning people from making obscene gestures when alone. If it’s not happening in the view of others, it effectively doesn’t exist. Maybe your cat will turn you in. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/25 "2009-10-18T01:26:18Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Because it promote immorality and is sinful and people who do it are possibly mentally ill. Outside of your religious beliefs and attempts at amateur psychology, why? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/26 "2009-10-18T01:59:02Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Outside of your religious beliefs and attempts at amateur psychology, why? It has not been considered normal by any civilized society. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/27 "2009-10-18T01:59:42Z")
If it doesn’t hurt the animal, it shouldn’t be illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/28 "2009-10-18T02:04:51Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > It has not been considered normal by any civilized society. Neither has _Star Trek_ fandom. ---
**Author:** ![Blut\_Aus\_Nord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Blut\_Aus\_Nord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blut_Aus_Nord)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/29 "2009-10-18T02:07:41Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > It has not been considered normal by any civilized society. Does normality automatically suggest morality? ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/30 "2009-10-18T02:17:17Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Because it promote immorality and is sinful and people who do it are possibly mentally ill. > [@](#): > > Guy gets ahold of some peanut butter, packs his ass-crack with it. He’s standing before the bench, waiting to give his statement. Shoves his hand down his pants, comes out with extra-chunky Jif. Bailiffs won’t come near him. Now he looks the judge right in the eyes and licks his fingers clean. So the judge says: **“This man’s insane. He can’t go to prison.”** Sends him to Psychiatric. She fell for it. Quote from _Training Day_. Emphasis mine. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/31 "2009-10-18T02:32:00Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Maybe your cat will turn you in. Nah. The cops tried interrogating him once, shined a hot light on him. He curled up and fell asleep. Useless as a witness. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/32 "2009-10-18T02:41:38Z")
I’d say it’s beastiality and it’s fucking gross, but should this particular act be illegal? Tough call. It’s not HURTING the animal…but I’d definitely say the person has some issues. ETA: > [@Congo](#): > > I must confess that uhm, I really like cats to lick my palms and wrists. > It’s not sexual, it’s like having an itch/tickle, an ickle. > > Only cats work however, what with their barbed pen… sandpaper tongues. > > /long time lurk Yeah, my cat Buffy is a big time kisser – she’ll lick my hands, and my face (usually my ears and my forehead.) I’ve had cats that are “kissers” before, but they mostly just lick your face, or your hands. (Misty used to pick my NOSE) I think there’s a difference between a dog licking your face and enticing him into performing oral sex on you though. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/33 "2009-10-18T03:19:34Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Apocryphal? We’re on the internet. It doesn’t take much effort to find videos of a woman bending over and her pet canine leaping to the occasion. Dogs will hump legs either from tables or people. An upturned female bottom sends them into a hormonal frenzy. > > Uh, so I hear anyways. From clinical psychologists who study this sort of sick, deviant behavior. Yeah. But most dogs hump for dominance. It’s not like dogs see a bottom and consider it male or female and decide it’s sexy. If a dog did behave that way it would probably be because it was trained to do so. Though I could be wrong…do dogs know that we’re male or female? Do they have any concept of that? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/34 "2009-10-18T03:23:42Z")
> [@Blut\_Aus\_Nord](#): > > Does normality automatically suggest morality? You don’t think the Bible or other holy scriptures are valid on this issue so therefore the basis of morality would be what humans generally agree on is immoral. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/35 "2009-10-18T04:01:07Z")
I suppose it would depend on whether or not the peanut butter ended up on the roof of the dog’s mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/36 "2009-10-18T04:39:21Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > You don’t think the Bible or other holy scriptures are valid on this issue so therefore the basis of morality would be what humans generally agree on is immoral. Our laws are not supposed to be based on religious beliefs. Either way, I’m torn. On one hand, I support beastiality being illegal, but I can’t see anyone getting arrested for this. A waste of taxpayers’ money. Fucking an animal, now THERE’S a difference. (Oh, and my dog is a spayed female – she’ll hump a pillow and wrestle with it if you leave it laying around) ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/37 "2009-10-18T05:10:14Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > But most dogs hump for dominance. It’s not like dogs see a bottom and consider it male or female and decide it’s sexy. If a dog did behave that way it would probably be because it was trained to do so. I’m under the impression that humping for dominance is a lot different than humping to get off. A dog might hump another male to show him what’s up, but he’s not gonna try to actually fuck him. Maybe some bestiality vids are that, but most include penetration, knotting and/or ejaculation, usually with the dog going at his own pace. As for training, yes, I’m to understand there is some of that. I’ve also read plenty about women not even trying to do this sorta thing at first and their pet being quite curious about um…yeah. I’m turning into “that guy,” aren’t I? Let’s talk about box turtles! Does anyone want to marry one? ---
**Author:** ![beo.thuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ab992/32.png) [@beo.thuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beo.thuck)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/38 "2009-10-18T08:37:33Z")
“Is this bestiality, and ought it be illegal?” Yes if it results in orgasm, otherwise maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/39 "2009-10-18T14:52:42Z")
Ah, here we are trying to define sexual relations again. Did we learn nothing from the Lewinsky scandal? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-bestiality-and-if-so-should-it-be-illegal/514134/40 "2009-10-18T15:20:11Z")
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