Is this cartoon racist (Tennis).

You don’t need to draw a caricature at any point in time. However, that’s what many choose to do. Why? To ridicule a target. Ridicule is perfectly acceptable.

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The real woman does in fact have large lips. Like Obama had big ears or Nixon heavy jowls.
It’s more offensive to try and avoid drawing them, since you seem to be suggesting that there is something wrong with having big lips.

Linking good to quiet with regards to women just opened another can of worms. :slight_smile:

One doesn’t need to draw a caricature, but one should be able to. And look at Serena’s lips. You wouldn’t describe them as exactly thin, would you? They are exaggerated a bit, but not unreasonably so. And there is another point to caricature (and probably others): to mock someone for their behavior.

What’s the excuse for depicting Naomi Osaka, a Japanese American, as a blonde?

Of course it’s racist - both in the caricaturing of Serena and the weird whitewashing of Naomi Osaka.

Man, I wish someone would respond to the ridiculous idea that Osaka was depicted as a blond, white woman. I’ve pointed that out here and elsewhere, but nothing so far. Oh well, the thread is still young.

Please see what I said above and respond. Thanks! Posts #20 and #4.

If anything the artist went out of his way to link it to the specific event, Serena is depicted wearing the exact same dress she wore for the match, as opposed to a generic tennis outfit and Naomi looks just like she actually did, but some people see “blonde hair”…and lose it.

You draw a caricature because that is what you do in cartoons.

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Because errr, that would be the hair colour and style the current US Open champion wore during the match in question.

I didn’t say you shouldn’t draw a caricature, I said you shouldn’t draw a racist one. And if the point is to mock her for her behavior, then depict the behavior - screaming, crying, jumping up and down - without drawing her using racist stereotypes.

I found two more caricatures of Serena that are accurate, but not racist.

So is the argument in this thread that racist caricatures are impossible because all caricatures are fair game?

To an extent I can see why, because when I first saw the cartoon the same thought entered my head. But then, I remembered that I really had no memory of what Osaka looked like, being only vaguely familiar with her, so I went back and looked at photos from the match. :smack: Oh my, what do you know?

I like 'em both. Knight’s is no closer to racism than these. Obviously, there is a lot of subjectivity here, so I suppose we will never agree on this.

That’s a positive caricature. The one in the OP is a negative one. Are you suggesting that only positive ones should be permitted, otherwise all racist?

Moving sports, from soccer, is this caricature racist?

Exactly. If exaggerated features were the only important thing, those would be racist as hell. Edit: okay, not to that degree, but certainly approaching racism. But of course, that isn’t the only thing to consider.

Did you not see a photo of her before that comment? She has a lightened pony tail.

No. I wouldn’t go that far. Stick a bone in her nose and have her near a cannibal pot and yes I’d be saying that’s probably racist. But an exaggerated depiction as caricatures are always done? No.

This isn’t athletic and black, its fat with aunt Jemima lips. As an alternative consider this or this or this. They are black, athletic, angry, clearly recognizable as Serena but to my eye at least do a better job of actually characterizing her, rather that just being stereo typical angry fat black woman with the addition of serena’s frizzy pony tail to make it recognizable as her.