The prompt itself isn’t factual.
I don’t work for; nor have I ever worked for GQ.
I ask this (if we were face to face I would ask politely in a calm, mature disposition)…
What humor exactly is it that you assume I used here?
I don’t understand your question…
:eek:
My God you are not joking as it turns out.
They had all sorts combinations as I just found out.
Those guys were fucking insane.:mad:
It wasn’t.
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WtF???
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Colibri
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Obviously, none.
As for OP, Alan Turning basically was a major factor in helping Britain to win the war; in return, they stripped him of his security clearance and drove him to suicide when they found he was gay. The US military had to be dragged (sorry) kicking and screaming into accepting gays, in the twenty-first century. When I was in college in the 70’s, it was still normal for insecure macho types to go down to the gay bars and beat up the people coming out, for Saturday night entertainment. Did you really think 2015 sensibility applied to 1945 military? People convicted on regular crimes still had to serve their sentence as others point out.
That goes on nowadays too. :mad:
In the movie “Paragraph 175”, the issue of lesbians was addressed. They weren’t persecuted as severely as gay men were, because lesbianism was considered something a woman chose to engage in. I wonder how many of the “Joy Division” women were lesbians that they were trying to make straight.
France being a notable exception (since 1791); even Vichy France settled for raising the age of consent for gay sex to 21 instead of a criminal ban.
Would they? Gay sex has been legal in the Netherlands since 1811. The Germans did enforce Paragraph 175 in the Occupied Netherlands so even if they did put violators in Dutch prisons instead of concentration camps their sentences would be null & void at Liberation.
Presumably none; the term “Joy Division” comes from the novel* House of Dolls*.
We all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Yes, sadly at the time for most of the allies “deviant” sex WAS criminal and merited locking up. You live in your times…
Well, that was kind of obvious. But as you said, fussy about procedures and rules.
It would probably peeve them greatly that after so much time and effort and thorough attention to detail invested, people would later on say it did not really happen or if it did was not so bad.
Were there actually any “gay only” concentration camps?
(Guarded by men in leather jackets and jackboots with Nazi regalia? The mind boggles…)
IIRC towards the very end of the war Germany started to liquidate their prisons and placed everyone formerly jailed into slave labor/concentration camps, since it was more productive to work people to death no matter how minor the crime than be idle in prison. Those who refused to go or were seen as troublemakers/liabilities were executed right inside the prison. So there were a bunch of non-persecuted (in the Holocaust sense) inside concentration camps by the time of liberation.
No.
They probably weren’t even forced to join the Cummerbund.
I was going to start a new thread on this subject, but research turned up this thread I had not previously read from 2016.
I very recently came across this article from last year LGBTQ+ History Month: gay victims and survivors of the Holocaust are often forgotten – we need to tell their stories (theconversation.com)
" Even after the camps were shut down, many gay survivors were never truly liberated. Homosexuality was not decriminalised in Germany until 1967 in East Germany and 1969 in West Germany, and so a number of survivors ended up back in prison. Many were also unable to return to their families due to the shame and stigma attached to the pink triangle. Even those who did, like Heinz Heger, often found themselves shunned by society.
While Jews, children, and political prisoners could apply for financial and moral support from the new German governments, homosexual men could not. Similarly, their testimonies were not prioritised by Holocaust researchers or by the criminal courts. As a result, many survivors blamed themselves for their persecution."
I think this article is a good reason to add to/revive this thread.