# Is this Esprix guy the defender of the gay universe? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2002, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816 "2002-06-19T06:22:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Dirty\_Earthworm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Dirty\_Earthworm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dirty_Earthworm)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/141 "2002-06-20T04:28:02Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by SPOOFE_\*\* > The difference being Phlip’s incorrect usage of the term “gay”… > > And I notice that Phlip has now trotted out the “I have a life, so I’m better than you!” Realized that you were wrong and are now resorting to name-calling, eh, Chucklehead?\*\* **Phlip** ’s incorrect use of “gay” is exactly what I was getting at, in a roundabout sort of way. Even though the politician in question used “niggardly” in the proper context, his choice of words was flawed, as was his judgement. Ditto for our man **Phlip** - his use of “gay” in the _wrong_ context went over like a fart in church. What I was trying to say was that even when the intentions are harmless, things can still be taken the wrong way. (although in **Phlip** ’s case, it’s hard to find a _right_ way to take it.) As for the name-calling - isn’t the next step generally a plea to the mods to close the thread? Or am I missing one? That’s my bet… :wally -Dirty ---
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/142 "2002-06-20T04:58:00Z")
**Earthworm** , the issue is not so much **Phlip** ’s orginal use of the word “gay” in a perjorative context . The issue is his continuing to use the word in that way and defend his right to do so after having been informed that such use is offensive to many people within this community. His response was **not** “I’m sorry, this is a word we use all the time in my social group without meaning anything negative by it and I simply didn’t realise my use of it in this manner could be offensive”. To give you a direct parallel. “FOB” (it’s an acronym for “fresh off the boat”) used to be a highly offensive term in Australia. It was very MUCH intended as an insult. It’s a term which is used without any rancour whatsoever at my kids’ schools, and it’s one with which people proudly self-identify. Our schools in this area are comprised (loosely) of “Skips”, “Lebs”, and “FOBs”. Using those very same terms an hour’s train ride from here would (quite literally) lead to physical violence, however innocent the intent behind their use. The fact that usage of a word is acceptable in one community doesn’t in one context make it’s use acceptable in other communities. If acceptability within one community was a defence, then we’d al be able to come in here sprouting KKK hate-speech. You might have noticed that Klantalk isn’t acceptable here no matter WHERE else it might be accepted. I once took exceptional offence to another poster’s use of a term which included “inbred”. I even got told to back off by a mod. What became quite clear in the email discussions which followed is that words can have powerfully different meanings in different communites. What people **do** with the knowledge that their particular usage of a term or a phrase has offended others is entirely up to them. Quite clearly, the OP’s preference is to flounce, or sashay out of here in high drama queen fashion proclaiming victimisation. Ironic, ain’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Geek\_Mecha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecae2f/32.png) [@Geek\_Mecha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geek_Mecha)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/143 "2002-06-20T05:06:23Z")
Au contraire, **Phlip**. I recognize your name. And I can’t say I’m at all suprised that your OP has led to this. IIRC, in the past you’ve started Pit threads in which you acknowledged the likely unpopularity of your opinions and/or the likeliness of your being flamed over them. And I know for a fact people have tried to explain to you why your opinions were wrong. Haven’t you learned anything at all from those experiences? Haven’t you learned anything at all from your year here at the SDMB? ---
**Author:** ![red\_dragon60](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@red\_dragon60](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/red_dragon60)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/144 "2002-06-20T05:07:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*Oh, please. I show up to every gay thread I can find, and every Canadian thread, and metro thread, and Esperanto thread, &c. And do I get a pit thread? No. I’m _so_ insulted. \*\* What?!? Esperanto? Whoever speaks that is soooo Montreal! ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/145 "2002-06-20T05:11:50Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Phlip** _ > > Unlike some of the losers on this board I do not have my pager go off everytime someone replies to a thread I started so that I can run over to my computer really fast and punch in some sort of witty reply. Trust me, punching in a witty reply won’t be a problem for you. > [@](#): > > I am not sorry that I used the word “gay” in that context. How wonderful that you don’t care that you offend people. Yes, that’s certainly something to be proud of! Please, make sure you offend as many people as possible in any given day - it makes life so much more pleasant for you and those around you! Intentional insults are what smoothly greases the wheels of civilized society. > [@](#): > > I don’t care. Ah, but you care _just enough_ to start a Pit thread about me. I’m touched. I think I may cry. > [@](#): > > I know I haven’t contributed anything special to this board since I joined. Finally, a kernel of truth amongst your blatherings. I knew eventually things would turn around for you. Good show! > [@](#): > > You won’t miss me. Oh, I will - truly. Deeply. You have no idea. > [@](#): > > So I will just go back to reading the threadsa and not making any posts so that you guys can maintain your “gay friendly environment” :rolleyes: Yes, we all know what a bad thing that would be - thank goodness we have you, **Phlip** , champion of offensiveness and proud purveyor of ignorance. **Long Live Phlip!** Esprix ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/146 "2002-06-20T05:13:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Phlip \* > \*\*Like I said before, I am not gonna go back and forth with some of you people because unless I say I suck cock, there is no way I can win or come out of this better off than I was before I started it. > > … > > If I get banned for being “offensive” or for “crossing the line” or whatever then oh well. I will just come and lurk and read what other smart people have said. I don’t care. I know I haven’t contributed anything special to this board since I joined. I have almost 500 posts and most of you probably don’t even recognize my name (Phlip=Flip for those too dense to figure it out). I post almost entirely in mindless threads. You have seen me 1 time in GD in my whole tour of duty here. You won’t miss me. > \*\* How refreshing it is to see a pathetic, abrasive little troll with a realization of his own worth. Please keep in mind; even if you were gay, we’d think you’re an asshole. Assholes come in all colors, shapes, denominations, orientations, and sizes, and you, Phlip, are an asshole. If you get banned, it won’t be for anything noble like “crossing a line” or being “offensive” or “excessive martyrdom”; it’ll be because you’re a jerk. Now go play in the high-tension wires, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Phlip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Phlip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlip)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/147 "2002-06-20T05:18:58Z")
Ok. You guys win. Moderator please close my account or ban me or whatever is that you do. You won’t hear from me again. ---
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/148 "2002-06-20T05:18:58Z")
Jeez **Esprix** , if you really wanted to do vanity searches you totally fucked up when you named the “Ask The Gay Guy” threads - not one of those words is searchable. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/149 "2002-06-20T05:23:08Z")
> [@](#): > > No. Actually some people tend to sleep when its time to go to bed. Unlike some of the losers on this board I do not have my pager go off everytime someone replies to a thread I started so that I can run over to my computer really fast and punch in some sort of witty reply. Wow, does anybody really have this set-up? Because that would sure be cool… ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/150 "2002-06-20T05:23:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GingerOfTheNorth \* > \*\*I am not an Inuit-Canadian sex-fiend Wedding planner with a predilection for sex with Echidnas covered in maple syrup. Just so you know. \*\* Not that there’s anything wrong with that… ---
**Author:** ![Phlip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Phlip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlip)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/151 "2002-06-20T05:24:27Z")
Oh, dont ban my IP though because I still like to read the GQ stuff. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/152 "2002-06-20T05:27:28Z")
Hey **Dirty Earthworm** - You’re sicko! I mean, psycho…or psychic. Yeah, psychic, that’s what I meant. Really. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/153 "2002-06-20T05:28:12Z")
Okay, all right! Crucify me! I’ll go willingly! You’ll never have to see me around these parts again! Oh, could you use slightly smaller nails? And, is a cross really necessary? Couldn’t it be, you know, kind of an A-Frame? Padded, maybe, with a little pillow? Could I have a glass of water, I’m dying up here… ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/154 "2002-06-20T05:29:52Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Phlip** _ > > You won’t hear from me again. Wait, wait, let me check… Nope, don’t care. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/155 "2002-06-20T05:32:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Phlip \* > \*\*Ok. > > You guys win. > > Moderator please close my account or ban me or whatever is that you do. > > You won’t hear from me again. \*\* **Fenris** , you taking odds on this too? I give him another seven hours. What’re the odds on seven hours? ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/156 "2002-06-20T05:34:48Z")
Um, seven hours after his IP whining. Christ on a cracker, stick to your fucking convictions will you? ---
**Author:** ![A\_wizard\_song\_for\_thee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/46a35a/32.png) [@A\_wizard\_song\_for\_thee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_wizard_song_for_thee)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/157 "2002-06-20T06:07:23Z")
Ooo, ooo! I had a brainstorm (and it hurt. Brain lightning is not your friend)! Since **Phlip** is so okay with > [@](#): > > assfucking, cocks, sucking cocks, and all that gay shit I propose a new slang term. Yes, I know that slang isn’t something that gets proposed and voted on, but in light of this thread, well, I think “to phlip” should become a new euphemism for gay sex. That’d be the aforementioned assfucking, in case anyone’s keeping score. Just think of the uses! “Hey, you wanna go out back and phlip?” And, of course, there would be no offense at all meant to **Phlip**. If he has a problem with it, well, we’re not sorry. And, by the by, I’m not a member of the Clique. In fact, it’s entirely probable that no one reading this thread has even read another of my posts. Oh, and I’m not gay, either. So, you see, it’s not so much that we’re all banded together under the rainbow flag, it’s just that you’re being _that_ much of an offensive jackass. ---
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/158 "2002-06-20T06:48:04Z")
“I’m leaving” “Please ban me” “But please don’t ban my IP” There aren’t enough Godiva chocolates in the world to grant the OP’s requests. BTW, I think we did pretty well to get **dud** as a new Clique™ codeword. it’s right up there with “gotcha ya” and “og smash”, but only if used in a politically correct, non-negative manner among a socially cohesive demographic… _I’m strictly a female female…_ ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/159 "2002-06-20T07:13:51Z")
Slight hijack: Dirty Earthworm, with all due respect, I totally disagree with you equating “niggardly” with the word “gay”. It’s a completely different animal. “Gay” is a word that over the years has come to take on a popular meaning a bit different from the original definition. “Niggardly” is a perfectly good word that has been coopted into a racial slur because some people are fucking idiots. You said that we shouldn’t use niggardly around people who might misconstrue the meaning. I say bullshit! I refuse to be labeled a racist because somebody thinks niggardly somehow relates to “nigger” just because the words sound alike. I do have a somewhat niggardly gay buddy, and he agrees. ---
**Author:** ![ratty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ccd318/32.png) [@ratty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816/160 "2002-06-20T07:54:12Z")
**Phlip** , I’m sorry to be the one to inform that, as it turns out, the SDMB does not operate on the same principles as either the Jerry Springer Show or the Lakeview Junior High 5th period lunch tables. Loudly proclaiming one’s ignorance and shameful viewpoints is not a badge of raw individualism; it is just sad, offensive, and breath-takingly stupid. I just wanted to say that. So, **Esprix** , I really want to know, too- how _do_ you pronounce your name? I’m sorta haunted by this now- please tell us. I would also like to apply to the **Big Alien Brain** to be a defender of the universe, too. Also, I have heard of this Clique™ and am interested in receiving your brochure. Would membership give me the ability to make the ™ show up in exponent-fashion next to words I type? I feel a pressing need to do this. I am looking for some sort of gratifying attention here. I feel it to be unfair and discrimminatory that only such wet slabs of assmeat as **Phlip** get all the air-time. I demand equal time for the mundane and well-mannered!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-esprix-guy-the-defender-of-the-gay-universe/114816.md?page=9)