# Is this finally it? Is this finally the series of events that will end Trump's presidency? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028 "2018-08-22T06:04:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/221 "2019-01-26T19:15:24Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > his next attempt will likely be in 3 weeks. I’m hopeful it is not successful nor that he holds the government hostage again, but honestly I see him attempting to play the National Emergency card. > > Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk He can play that Trump card, but unfortunately for him, the courts hold the _actual_ trump card, which they will most certainly use to slap down that desperate, weak attempt at a bluff. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/222 "2019-01-26T22:56:26Z")
The next several days of polling will be interesting. Look carefully at [this last YouGov one](https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/22uzshymdg/tabs_Trump_Tweets_20190124.pdf). Strong disapprove outpaces strong approve 45 to 25% overall. The base that approves of Trump is softer in its approval than are those who disapprove. If **Buck Godot** ’s read is right then a good many of those who “somewhat approve” may be flipping into a “somewhat disapprove” group, even among those with R self-identification. If Mueller ends up presenting evidence of actual Trump crimes of significance _while_ Trump is losing some of his floor support then all bets are off on what happens next. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/223 "2019-01-26T22:57:40Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > He can play that Trump card, but unfortunately for him, the courts hold the _actual_ trump card, which they will most certainly use to slap down that desperate, weak attempt at a bluff. That could happen. But there may be a major distraction in play that the Trumpists hope will let Donnie get away with the power grab of declaring a national emergency: WAR WITH VENEZUELA!!!11!!! Because: major war! We must trust in our Commander in Chief and not bother him with petty nuisances such as courts ruling on his Emergency powers or Special Counsels offering evidence that our C-in-C is a big fat treasonous criminal. War! It’s important! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/224 "2019-01-27T01:50:49Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > That could happen. But there may be a major distraction in play that the Trumpists hope will let Donnie get away with the power grab of declaring a national emergency: WAR WITH VENEZUELA!!!11!!! > > Because: major war! We must trust in our Commander in Chief and not bother him with petty nuisances such as courts ruling on his Emergency powers or Special Counsels offering evidence that our C-in-C is a big fat treasonous criminal. > > War! It’s important! If history is anything to go by, Trump will order the bombing of Brazil. ---
**Author:** ![MrKnowItAll](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrknowitall/32/87_2.png) [@MrKnowItAll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrKnowItAll)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/225 "2019-01-27T05:32:43Z")
I think that’s too much to hope for. Congress (both parties) are going to want to keep him around so that when the stock bubble pops he’ll be there to take the blame for it. In other words, they’ll want to keep him around as their official scapegoat, particularly if they can keep him shackled now. Of course, if he decides to call it quits, there’s not a lot they can do about that. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/226 "2019-01-27T13:15:24Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Nope, I was wrong. You may be wrong and right at the same time. On the one hand, yes, Trump tapped out and decided it was better to retreat to fight another day, which was actually the smart move if you look at the issue globally. The problem is, the mere appearance of weakness from the viewpoint of his radical, uncompromising base has now delivered a potent psychological sting to his cadre of holy warriors. He’s trapped between his base, who really have an inability to understand how impractical and utterly stupid their ideas are, and the consequences of their insane ideas. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/227 "2019-01-27T13:16:57Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > That could happen. But there may be a major distraction in play that the Trumpists hope will let Donnie get away with the power grab of declaring a national emergency: WAR WITH VENEZUELA!!!11!!! > > Because: major war! We must trust in our Commander in Chief and not bother him with petty nuisances such as courts ruling on his Emergency powers or Special Counsels offering evidence that our C-in-C is a big fat treasonous criminal. > > War! It’s important! This is a real danger. Trump may increasingly decide his only card left to play is his Commander in Chief card, and forgive me for lacking faith in his ability to do that without potentially serious consequences. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/228 "2019-01-27T15:07:52Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > Trump has has raised the white flag on building his wall. > > This is genuinely the beginning of the end for him, because once his supporters start to see him as a ‘loser’, he is finished. > > **The kind of people who support Trump don’t like ‘losers’.** > > He wanted $5.7 billion and got exactly $0. And with his shutdown, he managed to piss off large numbers of people in the process. He has failed, surrendered, come out with hands up. Nancy Pelosi has won. > > He can’t hide from this, or talk his way out of it. His next attempt to build his wall (if there ever is one) will be more difficult, not less. It’s not going to happen. From now on, his only way is down. There is one glaring problem with this. I agree that Trumps supporters don’t like so called ‘losers’. But to admit they backed the wrong horse would be admitting to themselves that they, are, in fact, wrong. They would have to admit that they are losers that can’t make intelligent informed choices. My feeling is that no mater what Trump does, there will always be that 30% that support him. To think otherwise would be to admit they are losers. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/229 "2019-01-27T20:39:54Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > There is one glaring problem with this. I agree that Trumps supporters don’t like so called ‘losers’. But to admit they backed the wrong horse would be admitting to themselves that they, are, in fact, wrong. They would have to admit that they are losers that can’t make intelligent informed choices. > > My feeling is that no mater what Trump does, there will always be that 30% that support him. To think otherwise would be to admit they are losers. They just have to learn from the master. “Trump? Never heard of the guy.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/230 "2019-09-19T12:37:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Neal Katyal, who formerly served as acting solicitor general of the U.S., said on Twitter Tuesday that the nascent scandal could turn out to be “huge,” given the apparent efforts of the Department of Justice and White House to squash the issue. > > It is unclear which foreign leader Trump was speaking with or what was being discussed, but Katyal said all signs point to significant wrongdoing by the president. “This is going to be huge,” he predicted. “DOJ & Admin are contorting themselves backwards to try to hide this.” > > He continued: “Truth will come out. There are probably tapes and transcripts documenting a gross abuse of power by Trump. Gonna be ugly. And enablers should all face consequences.” > > [Newsweek](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-whistleblower-complaint-likely-evidence-gross-abuse-power-claims-supreme-court-1460144) Maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/231 "2019-09-19T12:38:40Z")
For it to be, the democratic party would have to do something. And they won’t. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/232 "2019-09-19T12:43:03Z")
Really, if it is a big thing, it would be on the Republicans to do something, and they won’t. With these Republicans controlling the senate, it doesn’t matter if the truth comes out, or if it’s big, or if it’s damning. They’ll cover for their guy. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/233 "2019-09-19T12:59:07Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > For it to be, the democratic party would have to do something. And they won’t. Ignorant about how our government works when Republicans control the Senate, are you? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/234 "2019-09-19T17:34:08Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > For it to be, the democratic party would have to do something. And they won’t. Blame the eligible voters who don’t show up on Election Day. They’re the lazy slobs who put Trump and McConnell into positions of strangling the entire process. They might complain every now and again, but then they go back to watching the Kardashians and their monster-truck rallies. Radical Muslims called the USA “the Great Satan.” If I were Satan, I’d be insulted. Satan actually takes some _pride_ in his work. Something we as a country haven’t done in a very long time. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/235 "2019-09-19T17:53:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Is this finally it? Is this finally the series of events that will end Trump’s presidency? Given that this thread was started over a year ago, I’m going to say the answer is “no”. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/236 "2019-09-19T18:04:17Z")
How about focusing upon winning the next damn presidential election? Could the collective Democratic Party start looking into that, instead of the “Ooh, we got him now!” fantasies? Because that is what they all are, fantasies. He will not be removed except by the usual process, you know, the election. I don’t think that the party realizes how silly this stuff is all getting. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/237 "2019-09-19T19:44:46Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > How about focusing upon winning the next damn presidential election? Could the collective Democratic Party start looking into that, instead of the “Ooh, we got him now!” fantasies? > > Because that is what they all are, fantasies. He will not be removed except by the usual process, you know, the election. I don’t think that the party realizes how silly this stuff is all getting. If the Republicans have their way, even an election won’t remove him. You remember, of course, that he lost the last popular vote by 3 million, right? The electoral process has to be allowed to work properly with no interference. Voting district boundaries should be fair and representative of the population living in them. The registration process should be straightforward and simple. There need to be ample locations to cast ballots and people need to be able to GET to them, even if it means carpooling. Organizations should be allowed to give people who don’t have transportation rides to the polls. Voters should be able to go to the polls without jeopardizing their jobs, personal safety, or family’s well-being (can’t find a babysitter - tough!). The Republicans have made it abundantly clear that they aren’t interested in facilitating ANY of these things. Mitch as much as said that making the voting process easy favors Democrats-- can’t let that happen. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/238 "2019-09-19T20:20:55Z")
Will it swing 20 R senators to vote for removal in an impeachment trial? Of course not. Will it be a nice juicy nugget for the ongoing House impeachment hearings to expose and publicize with snowballing evidence throughout the course of the 2020 election? Let’s fucking hope so. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/239 "2019-09-19T20:46:04Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Ignorant about how our government works when Republicans control the Senate, are you? A primer for you: WRT impeachment, the ball’s in the House’s court. It’s controlled by Democrats. **If** they impeach, _then_ the ball will be in the (GOP-controlled) Senate’s court. If the House gives them the opportunity to remove Trump and they fail to take it\*, I’ll blame Mitch and his henchmen then. They’re evil. Pelosi and her crew aren’t evil, but they sure are enabling it through their inaction. \*ETA: Which is what I fully expect, of course. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/240 "2019-09-19T22:33:15Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > How about focusing upon winning the next damn presidential election? Could the collective Democratic Party start looking into that, instead of the “Ooh, we got him now!” fantasies? > > Because that is what they all are, fantasies. He will not be removed except by the usual process, you know, the election. I don’t think that the party realizes how silly this stuff is all getting. “Silly” is not a word I would use when talking about what is going on with our government. What’s happening is anything but silly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028.md?page=13)