# Is this finally it? Is this finally the series of events that will end Trump's presidency? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028 "2018-08-22T06:04:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/101 "2018-08-23T18:16:24Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > …Sorry my memory Oof only 5-8 yrs ago) is not that strong, but he was beating the drum at the head of what impressed me an an awfully bigoted red state (other than it’s blue NW corner). Thanks, Dalej42 and Dinsdale. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/102 "2018-08-23T18:41:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It could actually \*strengthen \*their support among the base, driven as they are by simple tribalism rather than patriotism. That doesn’t really matter. Trump’s base is solid; surprisingly so. So they’re already going to vote for Trump. So who cares if they get fired up? They can’t vote harder for Trump. Each party has a base that always votes for it. If those bases were big enough to win elections, one party would always win. Elections are decided by the people who aren’t in a base; people who are swing voters that are open to voting for either party and indifferent voters who may or may not bother to vote. These are the voters who make a difference and these are the voters who are open to persuasion. (You also have a third group; the people who don’t matter in elections. These are the people who are committed to voting for a third party and the people who don’t vote.) ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/103 "2018-08-23T18:45:37Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > The one-two punch of Manafort being convicted of eight felonies and the stunning turn of events with Michael Cohen has me optimistic for the first time that maybe, just maybe, we will be rid of the scourge that is Trump leading our nation. > > What do you guys think? No. If the best Mueller has to convict guys on tax evasion that happened years before Trump was elected President, he’s 1,000 country miles away from what he was looking for in collusion. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/104 "2018-08-23T18:48:21Z")
> [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > What are you talking about? > > The Supreme Court doesn’t remove the president, the Senate does. > > If you are talking about a legal fight over a subpoena from Mueller, Trump would still lose that battle in the Supreme Court, even if Kavanaugh was sitting. > > Of course, having lost the battle, Trump could still refuse to comply. I hope that happens. It would take a vote with 75 or more of 100 senators to remove Trump from office. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/105 "2018-08-23T18:49:02Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That doesn’t really matter. Trump’s base is solid; surprisingly so. So they’re already going to vote for Trump. > > So who cares if they get fired up? They can’t vote harder for Trump. > > Each party has a base that always votes for it. If those bases were big enough to win elections, one party would always win. Perhaps more Democrats will vote the next time around. I believe that many thought Clinton would win without their bothering to vote. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/106 "2018-08-23T19:05:14Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I’m starting to feel like a neutered president Trump who is an albatross on the GOP is not the worst thing in the world right now. > > You know who picked Pence as the running mate? [Paul Manafort.](https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412) Manafort may be scum, but picking Pence was a brilliant political move, even though it wasn’t seen so at the time. The only other candidate was Chris Christie. Pence does have ties to evangelicals and getting Franklin Graham and Jerry Fallwell, Jr behind Trump was key to his win. If Pence loses for VP, then he goes into a lobbying job and perhaps a show on Fox News or Trump TV. That beats a possible loss for reelection as Indiana governor ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/107 "2018-08-23T19:46:25Z")
Now that Pecker at the National Enquirer is talking is also possible that he could release McDougal from their agreement? Now, that would be interesting. (Although, I guess there’s not much more she could add to the interview she did with Cooper or whoever it was.) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/108 "2018-08-23T19:47:24Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > It would take a vote with 75 or more of 100 senators to remove Trump from office. Correction: sixty seven (67) ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/109 "2018-08-23T20:08:11Z")
I do not believe there is any line Trump could cross that would lead to his removal from office by the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Tired\_and\_Cranky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@Tired\_and\_Cranky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tired_and_Cranky)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/110 "2018-08-23T20:22:52Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > Now that Pecker at the National Enquirer is talking is also possible that he could release McDougal from their agreement? Now, that would be interesting. (Although, I guess there’s not much more she could add to the interview she did with Cooper or whoever it was.) McDougal was released from her agreement four months ago. She hasn’t said much since. I assume that she is shopping her story around for the best price. > **[Ex-Playboy Model, Freed From Contract, Can Discuss Alleged Trump Affair...](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/us/politics/karen-mcdougal-american-media-settlement.html)** > > A settlement ends a lawsuit against a Trump-allied publisher, and protects the president from being drawn into a legal case involving efforts to buy women’s silence. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/111 "2018-08-23T20:36:59Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Correction: sixty seven (67) You’re correct. Impeachment won’t happen with a campaign manager being convicted for tax evasion with nothing on the President, but if the Democrats get a majority in the Senate, they can waste their time on calling for a vote. Bill Clinton’s alleged extramarital affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky resulted in his impeachment by the House of Representatives on Dec. 19, 1998. The charges for the impeachment were perjury and obstruction of justice. In the end, 50 senators voted to convict him on obstruction of justice and 45 found him guilty of perjury. Clinton remained in office because the required two-thirds, or **67-vote, minimum was not reached.** ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/112 "2018-08-23T21:08:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If I bump this thread to point out how very wrong the predictions of impeachment were, I’ll be accused of gloating. Which predictions, in this thread, are you thinking of? I didn’t see anyone actually predicting impeachment, except in the case of something improbable happening (the Democrats gain control of the Senate). ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/113 "2018-08-23T21:15:52Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Bill Clinton’s alleged extramarital affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky resulted in his impeachment by the House of Representatives on Dec. 19, 1998. The charges for the impeachment were perjury and obstruction of justice. In the end, 50 senators voted to convict him on obstruction of justice and 45 found him guilty of perjury. Clinton remained in office because the required two-thirds, or **67-vote, minimum was not reached.** [Reference.com](https://www.reference.com/government-politics/many-votes-impeach-president-668fabbe9a3b6c64) couldn’t have said it better. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/114 "2018-08-23T21:39:44Z")
:smack: DOH! There’s a P word for that. I believe Melania Trump employed it during her RNC speech. ---
**Author:** ![Mangosteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Mangosteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangosteen)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/115 "2018-08-24T00:21:17Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > No. No “party leaders” of the Republican persuasion are going to tell trump to resign until 67 senators are lined up solid to impeach him. And that won’t happen without the base’s approval, which in this age is not likely to happen because of Trump’s 24/7 VERY popular propaganda arm. Political suicide. > > And since when does Trump care about what other people say anyway? About 88%! of Trump’s base (Republicans) approve of his performance and 45% of registered voters approve of his performance as President. Like it or not, these a very high numbers for a sitting President that Democrats want to be impeached. What Republican Senator would vote to remove such a popular president? Political suicide. And I have news for you. There will NEVER be 67 Democratic Senators before Trump leaves office in 2024. “Trump’s 24/7 VERY popular propaganda arm” ??? What are you talking about? Its Fox News and Trump’s Twitter account vs. the rest of the MSM. Check out the article from that conservative rag, The Washington Post, “Study: 91 percent of recent network Trump coverage has been negative”. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/116 "2018-08-24T00:28:53Z")
Faux “News” is absolutely Trump’s propaganda channel. This is obvious. Ask yourself, what other Presidents have granted this “news” channel an interview? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/117 "2018-08-24T00:50:00Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Faux “News” is absolutely Trump’s propaganda channel. This is obvious. Ask yourself, what other Presidents have granted this “news” channel an interview? It’s the only god dam thing they listen to. I small hope that I have is that every republican defending his seat in congress gets replaced by a dem. That might get their attention. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/118 "2018-08-24T00:51:44Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Faux “News” is absolutely Trump’s propaganda channel. This is obvious. Ask yourself, what other Presidents have granted this “news” channel an interview? [Actually, Obama did an interview with Billo The Clown himself](http://insider.foxnews.com/tag/bill-oreilly-interviews-obama) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/119 "2018-08-24T01:01:36Z")
OK that link opens up a page full of bullshit. Do you have a cleaner link to Obama’s Faux interview? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028/120 "2018-08-24T01:14:57Z")
Yes, Obama gave Fox News interviews. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/9uzJYlbhH54/maxresdefault.jpg "Bill O'Reilly interviews President Obama before the Super Bowl") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uzJYlbhH54) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-finally-it-is-this-finally-the-series-of-events-that-will-end-trumps-presidency/820028.md?page=7)