# Is this how Jews felt in pre-Nazi Germany? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 6, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071 "2022-12-06T00:35:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/81 "2022-12-06T16:24:20Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Despite the insurrection and whatever else the Pubs have done, I don’t think the liberals are going to be rounded up and sent to death camps. My personal opinion is that the right wing dream isn’t treating people like Jews in Nazi Germany. It’s treating people like blacks in the United States in the same era. They don’t want to literally commit genocide. The right wingers are willing to allow their enemies to live. But the right wingers want to take away all of their enemies’ rights, especially voting, and make them second class citizens subject to right wing control. There will be some individuals killed, either for protesting their situation or to demonstrate that the right wing controllers have the power to kill people with impunity. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/82 "2022-12-06T18:39:41Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > When those sort of laws start getting passed then maybe you should start comparing the US to Nazi Germany. I’ll point out that the thread states “pre-Nazi Germany”, so my point stands unchallenged. And as you noted, in 1933, _all of the things happened_. And they happened because in the years leading up to 1933, the common attitude was “they’ll never actually do what they’re saying they’ll do.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/83 "2022-12-06T18:44:06Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I really doubt people are going deer hunting with such a weapon. Game and Fish departments have laws about what firearms one may hunt with, and I doubt if machine guns are included. Enough people are killed accidentally with bolt action rifles during hunting season. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/84 "2022-12-06T19:46:04Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Game and Fish departments have laws about what firearms one may hunt with, and I doubt if machine guns are included. Enough people are killed accidentally with bolt action rifles during hunting season. Right… every state has its own laws that pertain to hunting game. These include the “tools” that are allowed. In Ohio, for example, you can hunt deer with a bow & arrow from September 24 through February 5, and you can use a gun from November 28 through December 4. As for the type of gun, you can use a shotgun w/ slug rounds, handgun, or a rifle that takes straight-wall cartridges. In Ohio you can’t use a “high-powered rifle” for hunting deer (e.g. .223 or .308). Interestingly, there are no “tool” restrictions for hunting coyote in Ohio; you can use a semi-automatic .50 BMG if you want. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/85 "2022-12-06T19:56:09Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I’ll point out that the thread states “pre-Nazi Germany”, so my point stands unchallenged. > > And as you noted, in 1933, _all of the things happened_. And they happened because in the years leading up to 1933, the common attitude was “they’ll never actually do what they’re saying they’ll do.” But since OP does not have that attitude, “It’ll never happen” isn’t the attitude at least in this thread. Why doesn’t every country become Nazi Germany every single year? Apparently it is some flip of a switch and a bunch of laws get passed and it’s on to extermination camps. And it can happen in any country at any time. Since that doesn’t actually happen, I think those claiming or inferring it will happen should be required to show their work. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/86 "2022-12-06T19:57:46Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Beyond the fact that outside of a few people, nobody’s actually advocating any of this, there’s the obvious identification problem. > > What constitutes a liberal? There’s multi-axis political spectrum out there- someone can be say… LGBTQ friendly, and yet also anti-abortion. It’s “the obvious identification problem” _to you._ To _them_, you’re obviously a latte-drinking soyboy socialist Nazi-Commie who loves Hunter Biden and Satan. These are not people who worry about “nuance”, is what I’m saying. Anyone they disagree with even slightly is the worst person in the world, period. Liz Cheney voted with them 99% of the time, but is now worse than Hitler because she dared to question Trump. Anyone in the LGBTQ spectrum is a “groomer”. Anyone who espouses an economic policy more complicated than “tax cuts” is a communist. Anyone who suggests that any aspect of American history is in any way regrettable is a CRT-loving traitor. And yes, this means that at some point, a lot of them are going to end up on the wrong side of their own mob, but that’s a risk they’re not even going to notice until it’s too late. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/87 "2022-12-06T19:59:38Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > “It’ll never happen” isn’t the attitude at least in this thread. It most certainly is your attitude in this thread. > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > Apparently it is some flip of a switch and a bunch of laws get passed and it’s on to extermination camps. And it can happen in any country at any time. No, that’s not what anyone has said, not even close. > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > Since that doesn’t actually happen, I think those claiming or inferring it will happen should be required to show their work. Their work has been shown. How about showing your work as to your strawman claims? Apparently, from what you seem to be saying, there is nothing at all to worry about until the extermination camps. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/88 "2022-12-06T20:05:59Z")
Yeah, you don’t have to go “full fascist” for things to be awfully uncomfortable. And the US is a _big_ country. You can’t expect fascism to be evenly distributed all at once. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/89 "2022-12-06T20:07:17Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It most certainly is you attitude in this thread. No, and that’s attacking the poster. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Their work has been shown. How about showing your work as to your strawman claims? > > Apparently, from what you seem to be saying, there is nothing at all to worry about until the extermination camps. I never said anything of the sort. Others said that if this is supposed to feel like pre-Nazi Germany then we should soon see laws restricting the rights and movements of Democrats. I disagree with the exaggerated claims of the OP, based on my personal experience of the location. Unlike the OP, actually posted real life events and experience, not vague suppositions. Since Nazi Germanys have not sprung up everywhere, all of the time, most of the time “It WON’T happen here” is true. If we want to learn from history maybe we should try to find common patterns. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/90 "2022-12-06T20:13:57Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Yeah, you don’t have to go “full fascist” for things to be awfully uncomfortable. And the US is a _big_ country. You can’t expect fascism to be evenly distributed all at once. Define uncomfortable. Black in this country for most of history uncomfortable? Gay in most times and most places uncomfortable? I know women hikers and I know they have to be more careful hiking alone for obvious reasons. But this has sadly most always been the case, women need to be more careful about being alone. It’s not exactly something new. Things have to actually be uncomfortable and threatening in real life, not in some Internet bubble world. Unless we are going to actually compare facts on the ground, this discussion is useless to me and I will end my participation. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/91 "2022-12-06T20:20:25Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > No, and that’s attacking the poster. It’s certainly not attacking the poster to point out that the poster is making a “it can’t happen here” argument. > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > Others said that if this is supposed to feel like pre-Nazi Germany then we should soon see laws restricting the rights and movements of Democrats. Right, we should soon start seeing, but you are asking for this _now_. Do you see why your demands are farcical? > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > I disagree with the exaggerated claims of the OP, based on my personal experience of the location. Unlike the OP, actually posted real life events and experience, not vague suppositions. You have personal experience with the OP’s neighbors? > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > Since Nazi Germanys have not sprung up everywhere, all of the time, most of the time “It WON’T happen here” is true. There is absolutely no logic used in your statement here. Wishful thinking, _maybe_. The only place that it can’t happen is in a place where people know that it _can_ and don’t hide their head in the sand and claim that it can’t. It requires vigilance to avoid sliding into authoritarianism. You are advocating ignoring the signs, exactly what the authoritarians want. > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > If we want to learn from history maybe we should try to find common patterns. Right, patterns like government officials trying to override elections, news media in cahoots with them in riling up a populist and anti-democratic sentiment, or encouraging racism and bigotry as a scapegoating tactic? I could go on with a whole bunch more, but I am curious to see how you choose to wave aside every piece of evidence that is presented to you. This is a small sample of what is happening now, which certainly follows the pattern of an attempt at a totalitarian takeover. > [@Jay\_Z](#): > > this discussion is useless to me and I will end my participation. That’s your choice, but I would support it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/92 "2022-12-06T20:27:33Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Anyone who suggests that any aspect of American history is in any way regrettable is a CRT-loving traitor. Cathode Ray Tube? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/93 "2022-12-06T20:28:17Z")
Yep. Goddamned electrons, drawing all over our phosphors! ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/94 "2022-12-06T20:28:35Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > [Snip] > > Their county is not on the map, but they are not far geographically or demographically from Haralson County, Georgia > > [snip] This is odd. I don’t think there’s a single US county that doesnt appear on hundreds of maps. ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/95 "2022-12-06T20:31:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Cathode Ray Tube? Yeah, I thought that, too. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/96 "2022-12-06T20:33:12Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I’ll point out that the thread states “pre-Nazi Germany”, so my point stands unchallenged. But I still want to know from the OP why pre-Nazi Germany. Is he implying that through further events like Trump in 2024 / further SCOTUS rulings / Pub controlled House and Senate / etc. that the US _will_ end up just like Nazi Germany? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/97 "2022-12-06T20:35:53Z")
Godwin was right in this instance. I posted from personal experience about the locale of the OP. I’m done now, enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/98 "2022-12-06T20:36:22Z")
I am pretty sure the OP is asking if how people feel now is how Jews felt in pre-Nazi Germany. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/99 "2022-12-06T20:36:58Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Is [the OP] implying that through further events like Trump in 2024 / further SCOTUS rulings / Pub controlled House and Senate / etc. that the US _will_ end up just like Nazi Germany? People of every political persuasion have predicted [_The sky is falling!_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henny_Penny) for as long as I can remember. “But this time it’s _true_!” Uh huh. It’s getting tiresome. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071/100 "2022-12-06T20:37:18Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > I posted from personal experience about the locale of the OP. The OP was also posting from personal experience about the locale of the OP. Why should we listen to you, and not him? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-how-jews-felt-in-pre-nazi-germany/976071.md?page=6)