# Is this Involuntary Servitude? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 20, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013 "2021-09-20T19:01:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/61 "2021-09-22T16:45:06Z")
I’d honestly suspect the court will be content with your efforts, most likely a date range of 4 to 6 years ago is probably sufficient for what they’re doing. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/62 "2021-09-22T17:33:34Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I’m blaming my 3rd Pfizer booster (have been generally irritable since receiving it). 3rd booster, or 3rd shot altogether? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/63 "2021-09-22T17:42:19Z")
DAMMIT WHY IS EVERYONE. Wooops, sorry. First booster, third dose overall. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/64 "2021-09-22T19:40:32Z")
I’m gonna be the pedantic nooge and state that if you had all of your records in order (and accessible) then the onerousness of complying with this court request would have been much more minor, and consequently less likely to have sent you over the edge, yah? ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/65 "2021-09-22T19:53:24Z")
I have to agree with this, I have been a business manager in the past and because I took the time to keep my records in order, I could have completed the paperwork while on hold to a vendor. Taking care of one’s employees seems to be the sign of a good employer, helping a child receive the financial resources they are entitled to is a sign of a good human. IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/66 "2021-09-22T19:54:36Z")
Guys the man is 63 years old, let’s not expect too many major lifestyle changes 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/67 "2021-09-22T20:06:39Z")
👍 … ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/68 "2021-09-22T20:10:06Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > Taking care of one’s employees seems to be the sign of a good employer, helping a child receive the financial resources they are entitled to is a sign of a good human. IMO. No offense, but you do not know things about the situation that might change your mind. I’ll say no more, as it is a legal matter I want nothing to do with. I’ll remain an employer who could do a better record job keeping records, beyond that, no. ☮ ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/69 "2021-11-22T17:48:51Z")
**UPDATE** The courts move slowly. I was worried about the court finding my paperwork lacking, but I now know my stuff was totally fine. Turns out both the petitioner and respondent lied in their various filings. My employee lied about her wages. The respondent lied about how much he’d already paid in support, but it turns out he has evidence that the child isn’t his (although he may have obtained this info illegally?), and that the petitioner was aware of this all along. Their lives sound like a total shitstorm, but my paperwork was A-OK! ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/70 "2021-11-27T09:23:02Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Their lives sound like a total shitstorm, but my paperwork was A-OK! And with that, you can no doubt sleep better at night. ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/71 "2021-11-27T11:52:21Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Their lives sound like a total shitstorm Some people just get all the fun excitement in life. /s ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/72 "2021-11-27T16:02:46Z")
Did you meet them at a Maury Povich show or something? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/73 "2021-11-27T16:14:27Z")
I live in rural western Pennsylvania. They’re par for the course around here. My brother visited us from Michigan recently and was shocked by all the TRUMP 2024 and FUCK BIDEN signs that decorate our roadways. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/74 "2021-11-27T18:12:02Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > My employee lied about her wages. So it sounds like the information you provided turned out to be pretty important. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/75 "2021-11-28T05:21:21Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I don’t get why the court doesn’t require her to provide W-2s, etc. > [@kayaker](#): > > My employee lied about her wages Maybe the dangnabbed gov’t has some method in its madness, after all. 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/76 "2021-11-29T16:55:24Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Their lives sound like a total shitstorm, but my paperwork was A-OK! As mean-spirited and venial as it sounds, I’m always grateful for the radical fuckups in my life. For all the grief they put me through, at least they make me look competent and conscientious by comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-involuntary-servitude/951013/77 "2021-11-29T18:06:09Z")
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