# Is This New $1000 Bill for Real? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 7, 2002, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725 "2002-07-07T03:06:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jim\_B](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jim_b/32/4338_2.png) [@Jim\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_B)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/1 "2002-07-07T03:06:57Z")
While surfing the net I came across [this](http://www.matthewtrump.com/newthousand.html) picture of a supposed design for a new $1000 bill. It appears to be part of the website for a college professor or something. I only came across it by accident and I’ve never studied it too closely. The last time the $1000 bill was actually printed was 1969. Some do still remain incirculation of course. I’ve actually always wondered whether or not they would ever have to bring the larger denominations back, what with inflation and all. [Here](http://www.matthewtrump.com/newthousand.html), you can look at it again. It looks very nice. As you can see, along with a new portrait of Grover Cleveland, it has a picture of the twin towers on the back. But is it for real? Just wondering.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/2 "2002-07-07T03:19:36Z")
> [@](#): > > The last time the $1000 bill was actually printed was 1969. Some do still remain incirculation of course. Er, no. Last printed in 1948 I think They started to withdraw them around 1969, along with $500. notes. No plans for anything larger than a $100. Fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![Apache](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Apache](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apache)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/3 "2002-07-07T03:22:39Z")
I have heard nothing about it. I suspect that is a skilled Photo-Shop job. Notice the Signature of The Secretary of Treasury. 😉 I like the design though. I think reissuing it would be a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/4 "2002-07-07T03:22:39Z")
Nah. Just somebody playing around with images playing up the WTC attack. [As proof it’s not here](http://www.bep.treas.gov/section.cfm/4). As it should be if it were real. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/5 "2002-07-07T03:29:46Z")
[http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/currency/denominations.html#q1](http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/currency/denominations.html#q1) > [@](#): > > What denominations of currency are in circulation today? Will any new denominations be produced? > > The present denominations of our currency in production are $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50 and $100. The purpose of the United States currency system is to serve the needs of the public and these denominations meet that goal. Our present currency in circulation satisfies the public at large, and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) has no plans to change the denominations in use today. > > \< snip \> > > What denominations of currency notes is the Treasury Department no longer printing? > > On July 14, 1969, David M. Kennedy, the 60th Secretary of the Treasury, and officials at the Federal Reserve Board announced that they would immediately stop distributing currency in denominations of $500, $1,000, $5,000 and $10,000. Production of these denominations stopped during World War II. Their main purpose was for bank transfer payments. With the arrival of more secure transfer technologies, however, they were no longer needed for that purpose. While these notes are legal tender and may still be found in circulation today, the Federal Reserve Banks remove them from circulation and destroy them as they are received. So, no, it’s a Matthew Trump leg pull. ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/6 "2002-07-07T04:01:10Z")
Slight hijack: Are there any plans to redesign the one dollar bill to conform with the others? Personally, I think they should have just discontinued the paper dollar in favor of the Sakajawea coin, but it looks like they just did a repeat of the Susan B. Anthony fiasco. A picture of Washington crossing the Delaware would look great on the back. Or if it has to be a building, how about Mount Vernon? The current single looks strange now next to all the other new bills. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/7 "2002-07-07T04:02:23Z")
It does seem particularly ironic to put the words “In God We Trust” over the World Trade Center, where almost 3000 innocent people died at the hands of religious fantatics. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/8 "2002-07-07T04:22:55Z")
No, as far as I can tell, browsing around on the BEP’s website, there are no plans to redesign the $1 bill. This is because the reason for the current new versions of other bills was to incorporate all that nifty counterfeiter-foiling stuff, and since counterfeiters rarely bother with dollar bills, well… ---
**Author:** ![scotth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@scotth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotth)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/9 "2002-07-07T06:13:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Walloon \* > \*\*It does seem particularly ironic to put the words “In God We Trust” over the World Trade Center, where almost 3000 innocent people died at the hands of religious fantatics. \*\* Coupling that with Grover was the point of the whole thing I am sure. A stab at satire. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/10 "2002-07-07T06:27:19Z")
How does Grover Cleveland work into the satire? ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/11 "2002-07-07T07:29:33Z")
Cleveland is in Ohio. Kent State is a University in Ohio Clark Kent worked for a newspaper in Metropolis. Metropolis is another name for New York. Kevin Bacon once lived in New York. or I think he was refering to the new trick of folding a (ten?) dollar bill to get the history of 9/11? ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/12 "2002-07-07T08:11:00Z")
\ Grover Cleveland was the Governor of New York before he was President. \ I’m with **Walloon** - how does Grover Cleveland figure into the satire? \ “Getting spanked by a President is nothing. Why, I myself was spanked by Grover Cleveland on two nonconsecutive occasions.” \ ---
**Author:** ![Weeks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbce88/32.png) [@Weeks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weeks)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/13 "2002-07-07T13:31:41Z")
Yeah, and how DO you fold a 10 spot to reveal the history of 9/11? ---
**Author:** ![yabob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yabob/32/2821_2.png) [@yabob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yabob)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/14 "2002-07-07T14:07:25Z")
Perhaps the reason is simply that Cleveland was on the real $1000 bill when they were still being printed: [![](https://ragemanchoo.tripod.com/1000dollar_1928_GoldCert.jpg) ](https://ragemanchoo.tripod.com/1000dollar_1928_GoldCert.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/15 "2002-07-07T15:09:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Weeks \* > \*\*Yeah, and how DO you fold a 10 spot to reveal the history of 9/11? \*\* You don’t. [You fold a 20.](http://www.snopes.com/rumors/20bill.htm) ---
**Author:** ![TVGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/82dd89/32.png) [@TVGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/16 "2002-07-07T15:48:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Harvey The Heavy \* > \*\*Slight hijack: Are there any plans to redesign the one dollar bill to conform with the others? Personally, I think they should have just discontinued the paper dollar in favor of the Sakajawea coin, but it looks like they just did a repeat of the Susan B. Anthony fiasco… \*\* I don’t know - the “Loonie” and the $2 coins both work pretty well in Canada. Don’t you think that folks would take to the new $1 coin if the notes weren’t being produced anymore and were simply allowed to slowly go ot of ciruclation? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/17 "2002-07-07T18:59:58Z")
Another bit of evidence that the bill pictured there is a fake: There’s no blank space for the “watermark” image. Unless, of course, the Powers that Be decided that there was no need for security measures on a grand bill. Heck, who would want to counterfeit _that_? ---
**Author:** ![postcards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@postcards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postcards)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/18 "2002-07-07T19:50:12Z")
Also, if you compare the portraits of Cleveland on the old bill and the ‘new’ one, you’ll see that they’re the same. The portraits on all the new US currancy were redesigned. And the one on the ‘new’ bill is nowhere near as sharp as it should be, compared to the rest of the bill. It’s just the old one, probably enlarged to fit. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/19 "2002-07-07T20:40:48Z")
Am I the only one who noticed immediately that the signature “Matthew Trump”, the name of the person who created that web page, is on the bill? Above the title “Secretary of the Treasury”, no less? Fake, fake, fake. ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2002, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725/20 "2002-07-07T23:33:06Z")
quote: **I don’t know - the “Loonie” and the $2 coins both work pretty well in Canada. Don’t you think that folks would take to the new $1 coin if the notes weren’t being produced anymore and were simply allowed to slowly go of of ciruclation?** They sure would, except that’s not what they did. They kept on printing paper dollars and took out ads begging people to use the new coin. They don’t seem to understand that the only way to make the change is to force it down people’s throats. I guess they don’t want to hear the bitching and whining that Americans are so famous for. Maybe they should just keep the paper dollar and come out with a $2 coin. quote: **Also, if you compare the portraits of Cleveland on the old bill and the ‘new’ one, you’ll see that they’re the same. The portraits on all the new US currancy were redesigned. And the one on the ‘new’ bill is nowhere near as sharp as it should be, compared to the rest of the bill. It’s just the old one, probably enlarged to fit.** Are they all different? The picture of Jackson on the $20 looks the same as the old one, only enlarged and cropped. I don’t see many $50’s or $100’s but those look the same to me too. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-new-1000-bill-for-real/117725.md?page=2)