# Is this statement homophobic? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 9, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009 "2011-08-09T00:14:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/101 "2011-08-11T12:41:25Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > Bullshit. People pee out of them. Errm, no, that doesn’t make them inherently dirty or otherwise worthy of that reaction. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/102 "2011-08-11T12:57:33Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > No mention of others being forbidden from exercising their freedoms. Good thing I didn’t bring it up, then. > [@](#): > > The speaker talks of themselves having sex with someone of their gender, and the reaction they would have if they did. There is no mentioning of anyone else. And as I pointed out, there doesn’t have to be for the statement to be homophobic. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Bosstrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstrain)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/103 "2011-08-11T14:40:49Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > Also it has nothing to do with the OP. Au contraire, it has everything to do with it. If homo’s had some skin on them, there wouldn’t even be such a post about something being homophobic or not :smack:. Besides, I think I brought the question into better light, and placed it in a more appropriate context, wouldn’t you agree? 😃 > [@I\_Know\_Nothing](#): > > And you do realize that homophobes are closet homosexuals right? [study](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014) Yeah, I read your study, and others like them before, most don’t concur with those findings exactly, out of bias. Now, I ask you to read this [article](http://epanechnikov.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/why-most-published-medical-research-findings-are-false/), I know that you won’t understand, being ignorant and all, but you’ll at least get the idea that most if not all studies are false (there has even been a study on that ;)). Just don’t let the fancy words send your tiny brain into a conundrum, wrap it in an enigma, and send your mind into a vortex of perplexity. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![JBDivmstr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JBDivmstr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBDivmstr)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/104 "2011-08-11T14:54:03Z")
> [@Jaledin](#): > > …No, it’s just TMI. I guess I’m a homophobe because I didn’t like screwing this bitch in the ass about ten or twelve years ago – it wasn’t the enemas she took and the shit on the end of my dick, for sure. Well, I would have to say that this statement _ **definitely** _ qualifies, as TMI! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/105 "2011-08-11T14:55:02Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > The definition of homophobe is slightly skewed IMO. Saying you want to puke at gay sex is one thing, beating the sh\*t out of someone who is gay and leaving their carcass on the roadside is completely different. Just a thought, but maybe if gays got in touch with their ‘masculine’ side they wouldn’t be so offended at passing comments :rolleyes:. My thing is, if they want to be ‘accepted’ so badly in society, then maybe they should join society and stop being so damn thin-skinned. They won, the USA allowed them rights and people stopped killing them (for the most part), why throw it back at the system and say “it’s not good enough, we want to have gay parades, and you can’t call us ‘fags’”. I just think they should count their coins, run back home, and be freaking happy that they can come out of the ‘closet’. Geez. (I apologize if anyone’s been offended by my rant) This doesn’t even qualify as an offensive homophobic statement, merely a stupid one. ---
**Author:** ![AqualungBats5th](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@AqualungBats5th](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AqualungBats5th)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/106 "2011-08-11T15:12:31Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > Just a thought, but maybe if gays got in touch with their ‘masculine’ side they wouldn’t be so offended at passing comments :rolleyes:. …and speaking of garden variety misogyny. :smack: > [@njtt](#): > > That is simply not true. There is a long-established and powerful tradition in our society (deeply entwined with Christianity, but probably going deeper than that) of thinking, and teaching people to think that even the most plain vanilla straight sex is gross, and even that it is unnatural if not done for the purpose of procreation. It is not as strong as it used to be - you do not get a significant proportion of the population dedicating themselves to a life of celibacy any more, as you did a few centuries ago - but it is undoubtedly still influential on many people, probably most people to some degree. Think for a second about what you are saying, and it will dawn on you that this long-standing tradition of shame associated with heterosexual sex falls almost entirely on women. Men rarely pay any social price for sexual exploits, even in extremely sexually repressed environments. Hardly the same as the enculturated reaction to gay sex as gross _because the two participants are of the same sex_. ---
**Author:** ![JBDivmstr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JBDivmstr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBDivmstr)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/107 "2011-08-11T15:18:14Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > … Just don’t let the fancy words send your tiny brain into a conundrum, wrap it in an enigma, and send your mind into a vortex of perplexity. 🆒 I humbly tip my hat to you sir, in acknowledgement and sincere admiration of the sardonic chastisement you have proffered in some of your posts, that I have perused. 😃 (Don’t get all “big headed”, though! just kiddin’…)😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Bosstrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstrain)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/108 "2011-08-11T16:12:01Z")
I feel it necessary to state that I am not a homophobe, I’m not ‘afraid’ of anything, actually, especially not a challenge. If you consider being disgusted by male genetalia (even my own), homophobic, then maybe I am. My posts have been directed at something else though, mainly the need to get people to lighten up, un-bunch their panties, and take a few punches with a laugh. Homosexuals do themselves a disservice every time they get offended at something, my respect level goes down immensely at the very least. Lesbians seem to be far superior to gay men in every way, or at least from my observation, they don’t get all riled up over some off-handed remark. Homosesexuals have been around for millenia, but all of the sudden they’re so happy about being accepted (I understand it’s because of recent persecution). However, before recent times, males who had intercourse with other males did not mean they were gay (the word wasn’t even used), they still enjoyed sex with either gender often times (as they still do). Lesbians still like male genetals, they just use plastic ones now, and throughout history until only recently (when I say recently, I mean in the last few hundred centuries), women who liked other women were actually condsidered normal, especially durring polygamy where a man had multiple wives, he couldn’t have possibly satiated them all, so most likely they’d ‘enjoy’ each others company. In fact, only male homosexuality has ever been frowned upon really, mainly due to the genetals actually penetrating, which, FYI, is the only thing the Scriptures (Bible) has condemned, it defines it as sodomy basically, we get the word sodomy from Sodom and Gomorrah actually. The reason why it was destroyed is because of the men who were fornicating with each other, they even tried to make Lot have sex with them, and even after offering his daughters to them, they were still adamant about forcing him to. (official hijack) ---
**Author:** ![uuaschbaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@uuaschbaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uuaschbaer)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/109 "2011-08-11T16:39:48Z")
I call troll on Bosstrain. Those angels of Sodom must have been pretty hot to get half a city after them by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Bosstrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstrain)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/110 "2011-08-11T16:59:37Z")
Good call, **uuaschbaer** , but recognize that when I do troll on a thread, my intention is to get people to think for themselves a little, instead of just having others tell them what’s what, in other words, check to see if there is a ‘man behind the curtain’ so to speak, the color of the horse can always change quickly. 🆒 FYI, the ‘Angels’ weren’t of Sodom, they came to Sodom. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/111 "2011-08-11T17:01:14Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Good thing I didn’t bring it up, then.And as I pointed out, there doesn’t have to be for the statement to be homophobic. One’s own personal distaste for performing an act themselves has no connection with the viewpoint of others doing that same act. You are trying to connect dots for lines that don’t exist. Assume the statement was: I cannot stand the idea of me eating vegetables: the thought of doing so makes me gag. According to your twisted logic I must be anti-vegan and that would be ridiculous. It just means I could never be a vegan. Or how about this: I could never personally euthanize an animal, yet have no qualms about veterinarians who do so daily. I hate sushi, the thought of it makes me sick, yet you’d say I’m against or I’d be prejudiced against those who eat it. It must be great living in your black and white world. ---
**Author:** ![uuaschbaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@uuaschbaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uuaschbaer)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/112 "2011-08-11T17:10:36Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > Good call, **uuaschbaer** , but recognize that when I do troll on a thread, my intention is to get people to think for themselves a little, instead of just having others tell them what’s what, in other words, check to see if there is a ‘man behind the curtain’ so to speak, the color of the horse can always change quickly. 🆒 > > FYI, the ‘Angels’ weren’t of Sodom, they came to Sodom. I shall remember you, Trollin’ Hood. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Bosstrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstrain)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/113 "2011-08-11T17:53:28Z")
> [@uuaschbaer](#): > > I shall remember you, Trollin’ Hood. and well you should…Bwahahaha :D. ---
**Author:** ![Myrnalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@Myrnalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrnalene)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/114 "2011-08-11T18:33:13Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > Good call, **uuaschbaer** , but recognize that when I do troll on a thread, my intention is to get people to think for themselves a little, instead of just having others tell them what’s what, in other words, check to see if there is a ‘man behind the curtain’ so to speak, the color of the horse can always change quickly. 🆒 So you’re playing devil’s advocate and trying to open our little minds to new ideas - by expressing an extremely commonly held opinion that everyone here has heard a thousand times before. Woah ho ho my clever lad, you have done great things here today. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/115 "2011-08-11T18:42:08Z")
> [@uuaschbaer](#): > > I call troll on Bosstrain. Those angels of Sodom must have been pretty hot to get half a city after them by the way. Not in IMHO, you don’t. Keep accusations like that in The BBQ Pit, or report them to a moderator. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/116 "2011-08-11T18:47:09Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > Good call, **uuaschbaer** , but recognize that when I do troll on a thread, my intention is to get people to think for themselves a little, instead of just having others tell them what’s what, in other words, check to see if there is a ‘man behind the curtain’ so to speak, the color of the horse can always change quickly. 🆒 > > FYI, the ‘Angels’ weren’t of Sodom, they came to Sodom. Recognize that trolling is not permitted on this message board-infraction given. If you wish to dispute or explain, please PM me. ---
**Author:** ![uuaschbaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@uuaschbaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uuaschbaer)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/117 "2011-08-11T19:54:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Not in IMHO, you don’t. Keep accusations like that in The BBQ Pit, or report them to a moderator. Look at you own words if you find yourself put in less than graceful light. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/118 "2011-08-11T20:01:13Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > One’s own personal distaste for performing an act themselves has no connection with the viewpoint of others doing that same act. I doubt very much that is, in fact, the case. But that’s irrelevant, as I never discussed the viewpoint of others doing anything, merely personal disgust. > [@](#): > > I cannot stand the idea of me eating vegetables: the thought of doing so makes me gag. > > According to your twisted logic I must be anti-vegan and that would be ridiculous. > It just means I could never be a vegan. The analogy doesn’t hold up. You’re equating homosexuality to the vegans but it’s not, it’s the act of eating vegetables you should equate it to. One is not homophobic of homosexuals, one is homophobic of homosexuality, IMO. So in your analogy, you _are_ anti-vegetable-eating and that’s analogous to homophobic. > [@](#): > > Or how about this: > I could never personally euthanize an animal, yet have no qualms about veterinarians who do so daily. That analogy makes even less sense. You have a prejudice against killing, but don’t mind others doing it? Then you’re still a thanophobe. > [@](#): > > I hate sushi, the thought of it makes me sick, yet you’d say I’m against or I’d be prejudiced against those who eat it. No, I’m saying you’re prejudiced against eating raw fish. > [@](#): > > It must be great living in your black and white world. I calls it like I sees it. Anyone who’s disgusted by the thought of perfectly natural acts has a problem - that may be homophobia, misogyny, misandry, general neuroses, depends. But equating any (normal - not coprophagia or necrophilia, just vanilla sex) sexual act with the same level of disgust as, say, eating rotten food, indicates a problem. Even if it’s just thinking about doing it yourself. Equating female genitals with “that’s where you pee from” is juvenile _at best_, neurotic in the extreme, and misogynistic in effect. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/119 "2011-08-11T20:15:09Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Recognize that trolling is not permitted on this message board-infraction given. If you wish to dispute or explain, please PM me. Having corresponded with **Bosstrain** , I am rescinding the infraction, on condition that he both read the rules for this message board as set forth in the stickies in the ATMB forum, and label his “devil’s advocate” posts as such beforehand. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009/120 "2011-08-11T20:25:21Z")
Mr Dibble, I do not understand your logic. I have no problem with homosexuals having sex. I don’t feel like gagging thinking about them engaging in any act whatsoever. I have a problem being told that I should have no reaction if I am made to do something contrary to my nature, or that all acts should be natural to all. Ask a gay person if they are uncomfortable with the thought of having sex with someone of a different gender. (Many have said this). They are not heterophobes. This is definitely a case of different definitions of homophobia - and I do not think yours is the commonly accepted one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-statement-homophobic/592009.md?page=7)