# Is this the final word on NDEs? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 18, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-final-word-on-ndes/464177 "2008-09-18T18:15:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-final-word-on-ndes/464177/41 "2008-09-20T16:55:58Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Or maybe the patients won’t be told about it beforehand. Maybe they will just wait to see if they report an OBE, then ask them “did you happen to notice any pictures on the shelf” In which case\*\* failure to note or remember specific pictures won’t show anything\*\*. yes, it would. If the patient says" no. I didnt happen to notice any pictures, I was too busy seeing the divine light, etc", then you would be right: it doesn’t prove anything. But if the patient says he saw the divine light, saw his loved ones, AND (with no external prompting) also says he saw the dancing aligator on the top shelf, then we’d have one extraordinary scientific problem to explain. But I can’t see any way to ensure that the medical staff,( or, more likely, the jantorial staff) at the hospital don’t leak the info. Thousands of people at thousands of hospitals will have to install,clean and maintain the equipment. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-final-word-on-ndes/464177/42 "2008-09-20T22:31:17Z")
> [@](#): > > **Czarcasm** : On the other hand, if some pictures were accurately described by patients, that would have to be looked at as possible positive evidence. Or maybe a little intuitive “mind reading” unless the patients were questioned by people who had no knowledge of what was in the pictures. (shrug) Just trying to consider other possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-final-word-on-ndes/464177/43 "2008-09-20T22:45:32Z")
> [@Indistinguishable](#): > > (Just as a side question, what does “Super Moderator” mean? (When did you get the promotion?)) Under vBulletin, I believe that the category of user that may take moderating actions in multiple fora is called “super moderator” while users who can only take moderator actions in one forum are categorized as “moderators.” Since SDMB policy is that all mods have mod powers in all fora, we are designated “super moderators” to vBulletin, although we have always borne the description “Moderator” beneath our usernames. My guess is that as we tweak the board following the upgrade, things like user descriptions for Mods periodically reset to the classification instead of the designated description. I’m still just a garden variety Mod, here. ETA: I seem to have lost my “super” descriptor this afternoon, so I suppose that the board has been tweaked once again. ---
**Author:** ![sinical\_brit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@sinical\_brit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinical_brit)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-final-word-on-ndes/464177/44 "2008-09-24T11:44:38Z")
Sorry to bump the thread but i really would like to know what Lekatt thinks of this test. Anyone know when he is likely to be back on NDE threads ? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-final-word-on-ndes/464177/45 "2008-09-24T11:52:36Z")
I know, most people go through a tunnel, see a being of light, meet their dead relatives-nice…but what about people who wind up in hell, with demons and fire-how many get this kind of NDE? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-final-word-on-ndes/464177/46 "2008-09-24T20:17:13Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I know, most people go through a tunnel, see a being of light, meet their dead relatives-nice..but what about people who wind up in hell, with demons and fire-how many get this kind of NDE? There’s also the question of **silly** NDEs. As I heard it put once, you always hear about the guy who floats through a tunnel of light to meet his dead parents; you don’t hear as much about the guy who floats through a tunnel made of televisions and meets Bugs Bunny. NDE stories only get noised about if they sound appropriately mystical. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-final-word-on-ndes/464177.md?page=2)