# Is this the most woeful season of new TV ever? Will anything survive? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 1, 2011, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457 "2011-11-01T04:08:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/21 "2011-11-03T14:14:08Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > I was watching _Prime Suspect_ and finding it reasonably entertaining, not fantastic. But I missed the most recent episode because my DVR, for whatever reason, recorded a different show. And I honestly felt a little relieved to have a little bit less on my TV plate. I probably need to do a better job of cutting shows loose. _Prime Suspect_ is getting better. Jane is developing some rapport with the other detectives, and they’re lightening up on the sexism. Not a new show, I can’t imagine that the retooled _Two and a Half Men_ will last past this season. I didn’t watch – haven’t watched since the first episode, to see how they killed Charlie – but this week Evelyn (Charlie’s mom) slept with Walden (Ashton Kutcher’s character). :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/22 "2011-11-03T15:38:21Z")
I haven’t gotten hooked in any new shows in several seasons. This season I’m watching two: Grimm and Once Upon a Time. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/23 "2011-11-03T15:45:15Z")
I love American Horror Story. I’m trying real hard to love Once Upon A Time because I NEED something to watch on a regular basis, since all my favorites are approaching their sell-by date (Desperate Housewives, House, Grey’s Anatomy). I’m hoping Hell On Wheels will capture my interest, it will have to have really good characters l can buddy up to. Still waiting for Dirty Jobs to come back, I read now maybe in December, and Mike Rowe said Discovery Channel is re-thinking the whole deal (words to that effect) about that show. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/24 "2011-11-03T16:20:45Z")
So far, **Once Upon a Time** is in my OK, but not great list; I watch it primarily because there’s nothing else on Sunday. I’m willing to try **Grimm** again, though it has to improve drastically for me to keep watching (the premiere was a great sleep aid). Might try occasionally: **New Girl**. Mostly because I liked Zoey Deschannel. The show just isn’t that funny. Tried and found lacking: **Person of Interest**. There’s nothing of interest about it. **Terra Nova**. Terrible Nova is more like it. It’s just plain stupid, with lazy writing and with not cliche left unturned. \*\*Unforgettable. \*\* Unmemoriable **2 Broke Girls**. Awful, awful, awful. It’s only on the schedule because it makes **2 1/2 Men** seen funny. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/25 "2011-11-03T16:23:19Z")
> [@GameHat](#): > > Strongly disagree > > The show started interesting, then went completely off the tracks after about episode 4. Multi-episode plots that went nowhere (secret Muslim “kidnapping” group, I’m looking at you), dozens of gaping plot holes, some really bad writing and fuck, does it _always_ need to be raining? > > By the last episode, and I had been following the show, critical review and forum posts all season (mostly on The A.V. Club), critics and viewers alike were furious and disgusted. > > Enough so that the head of AMC [addressed the backlash](http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/06/24/the-killing-finale-response/) directly. > > I’ll just say - this show probably made me angrier (at how sloppy, cheap and poor it was) than most others. I was angry when it got renewed, especially since the much better show Rubicon (which started a bit slow and rough, admitted, but got pretty good by the end) got the axe. > [@Tangent](#): > > I think you’ve been whooshed. Indeed. 🙂 I was right there with you **GameHat** , and was pretty vocal myself in Cafe Society threads about it. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/26 "2011-11-03T16:57:28Z")
The new Charlie-less _Two and a Half Men_ is awful. Jake and the maid are hardly in it anymore; I’ll be very surprised if it gets picked up for another season. _Up All Night_ is also awful. I’m sure it’ll get cancelled after this season. _Whitney_ isn’t very good, but it’ll probably survive for a while because NBC has such a lame line-up, they need anything watchable they can get. I still like _Person of Interest._ Then again, I’ll watch anything by J.J. Abrams. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/27 "2011-11-03T17:17:18Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > **The Killing** was renewed for another season, which caused zero controversy anywhere on the Internet, including the SDMB. That was a rare miss for AMC. Can’t believe there was enough interest to renew. I won’t be watching. I am looking forward to _Hell on Wheels_, which starts this weekend. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/28 "2011-11-03T17:54:28Z")
I’m the only person who likes Whitney, I think. It’s not a must-see, I just watch it because it’s on before Grey’s Anatomy, but it’s okay. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/29 "2011-11-03T18:31:08Z")
I have a very short list this season: \*\*Grimm \*\*(OK first episode, willing to give it a few more) \*\*Pan Am \*\*(Finally watched episode #1 which has been hanging around my DVR forever. It’s not half bad) \*\*Up All Night \*\*(I can totally understand how this isn’t for everyone. But with an 11 month old daughter, my wife and I find it hilarious). I really think that’s it. A few others I’ve tried and said no. Most I haven’t even bothered to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/30 "2011-11-03T21:09:59Z")
I thought [this article](http://splitsider.com/2011/11/is-the-2011-2012-sitcom-schedule-the-worst-in-a-decade) on Splitsider was interesting. It only talks about sitcoms, not about other TV shows, but it shows that in the last 10 years there have been some better years TV wise, and some years that were much, much worse. > [@Diceman](#): > > \ > _Up All Night_ is also awful. I’m sure it’ll get cancelled after this season. Up All Night probably isn’t getting canceled anytime soon. It gets pretty good ratings, and considering that it’s on NBC where everything else gets crappy ratings, it’s probably gonna stay around a while. And I find it pretty funny even though I don’t have any kids. ---
**Author:** ![akrako1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@akrako1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akrako1)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/31 "2011-11-03T21:51:03Z")
a little clarification… supposedly due to the high cost, Spielberg insisted that Fox order a whole season of Terra Nova… so it won’t necessarily get ‘canceled’ if the rating are poor, but just won’t get renewed. I’m anticipating a move to Friday nights or some undesirable slot if the ratings get too low. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/32 "2011-11-03T22:02:40Z")
I think if Whitney Cummings were playing Max in 2 Broke Girls, it would appeal to a lot more people. It’s pretty clearly her voice, the brunette actress is just so damn wooden and fucks up all the deliveries. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/33 "2011-11-03T22:24:50Z")
Watching: **Person of Interest** **The New Girl** Was watching and now am not sure is still on **Alphas** Watched through osmosis: **Strike Back** The last two are cable shows and their idea of a season confuses me. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/34 "2011-11-03T22:32:50Z")
Strike Back is also British, so strike that. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/35 "2011-11-03T23:21:39Z")
\*Alphas \*ended its first season a month or two ago. It has been renewed and will be back next year. _Once Upon A Time_ just got a full-season order. ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/36 "2011-11-03T23:40:14Z")
Suits? Please tell me it is coming back! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/37 "2011-11-03T23:54:22Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > \*Alphas \*ended its first season a month or two ago. It has been renewed and will be back next year. > > _Once Upon A Time_ just got a full-season order. Good to know. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Merejane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@Merejane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merejane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/38 "2011-11-04T00:57:24Z")
I agree that this is generally a pretty woeful season for new TV, but I am kind of shocked that no one has mentioned _Homeland_ as an exception. I think it’s the best thing currently on TV. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/39 "2011-11-04T02:10:43Z")
I am liking New Girl and Suburgatory. 2 Broke girls is also watchable but on notice. I liked Terra Nova in a cheezy Ahhh! Dinosaurs! sort of way but the time slot is crowded so I decided to just rent the season (series?) DVD. Same with Once Upon a Time. Liked the pilot but there are 4 million shows I like on Sundays so it will be watched on DVD over the summer probably. Still have Grimm on my DVR It’s on Cable but the reboot of Thundercats is pretty awesome, so is Homeland. I am probably officially the only person to put those two shows in the same sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457/40 "2011-11-04T02:17:26Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > I’m the only person who likes Whitney, I think. It’s not a must-see, I just watch it because it’s on before Grey’s Anatomy, but it’s okay. I like Whitney. It’s better than all the other new sitcoms this season. Of course, that’s really not saying much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-the-most-woeful-season-of-new-tv-ever-will-anything-survive/601457.md?page=3)