Is this the nastiest, meanest Presidential campaign of modern times?

Moderator’s Note: Gonzomax, Shodan, and everyone else, please take the personal sniping out of this forum. Thank you.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Thousands_of_academics_sign_on_to_1022.html Ayers is a highly respected authority on education. He is not a terrorist.

I see a nation which can’t summon the political will to control its borders and control public spending and debt. (There are other factors, but those are the biggest.) I don’t see either political party dealing seriously with either of those issues. Sooner or later, this will make our country dangerously unstable. You can call that “racist, white-supremacist claptrap” if you want, but the numbers I see on immigration and the national debt impress me a lot more than your rhetoric.

I would point out that the left is no less guilty than the right when it comes to unnecessary and unseemly nastiness. Screaming “Racist!” at everyone who doesn’t conform to your ideology is at least as obnoxious as anything the right does.

That’s the racist part. It’s certainly not about security, for Og’s sake. Terrorists could sneak into the U.S. via the Canadian border much more easily, but you don’t see the Minutemen patrolling there.

So obscurity necessarily means unimportance? Ayers has never repudiated the ideology that led him to join the Weather Underground. You would not be this unconcerned if McCain had a similar association with a former Klansman who had never repudiated the Klan.

I really don’t care whether or not it’s “racist” in your eyes. And the issue isn’t terrorism, the issue is the radical transformation of our society. Radically altering the nation’s racial and ethnic demographics with mass immigration can’t possibly lead to anything good.

And why is “racist” for whites to consider their own best interests? What possible benefit can whites derive from giving up their status as the dominant majority?

That actually is racist, although fortunately, it doesn’t count because you don’t care.

As “racist” is merely a term of abuse, I can’t see any reason that I should care. You might try answering that question.

:rolleyes: Where to begin, where to begin . . .

Ah, you’re being abused. The tragedy of it all. Whether you care about the term or not isn’t my concern. If you cared about being called a racist you wouldn’t share racist views with the public. Worrying about racial primacy is garbage.

This viewpoint is pretty close to paranoid insanity in my opinion.

Lost cause, my friend…its a lost cause.

I was 6 when JFK was shot. I remember getting a couple of days off school which were worthless once I realized all the cartoons were preempted. Bobby Kennedy, I don’t remember

What you are describing has happened many times before in American history. More good than harm always came of it, in the long run. In the short run there was a lot of trouble and tension and ethnic crime gangs. But, really, would you want to live in an America with no significant numbers of Irish or Jews or Italians?

Maybe you would.

Sir, you employ the undignified rhetoric of a potato-gnawing Irishman!

Err, which is to say that - just a suggestion here, not a mod action - this racial topic might be better as a separate thread.

Speaking as a white male, it is by no means clear that I am gaining any significant advantages from a white majority. My interests are aligned much better with nonwhites who share my geography and socio-economic status than they are with whites in general.

But I don’t care. Pay attention.

That’s it? That’s all you’ve got?

You haven’t exactly set the bar very high here, Polecat.

No, it hasn’t. The current rate of immigration dwarfs previous waves. The census bureau projects that we will add a hundred million people to our population over the next four decades, almost all of them through immigration. Leaving aside the racial and ethnic aspect, there is simply no way we can provide the infrastructure necessary to add that many people to our population and still maintain a decent quality of life for the average American. If you still think there is no danger here, perhaps you could tell me how many people are too many if 400 million aren’t. 500 million? 800 million? A billion?

How many more can come here before they swamp the boat?

Dunno about that. So far nobody’s jumped it.

Pay attention yourself. I also said “Whether you care about the term or not isn’t my concern.”

That’s all that’s required.