# Is this true ?? About the jews and their religion, Grrr -do they look upon non-jews\> **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 24, 2001, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821 "2001-08-24T01:00:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Scotticher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Scotticher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scotticher)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/21 "2001-08-24T02:00:11Z")
My, my. Well, I think that many on this board can attest to the fact that I am not easily angered. I have a very LLLLOOOONNNGGGG fuse, and only when I get to end of it do I get all testy and so forth. Heavens…I just MET you, and already you got there. That takes some doing. I hope you enjoy being on my invisible list, **Baltazar.** IMHO, the company isn’t good. It takes a LOT to get there, you know. And all of it negative. I pity you. Enjoy. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/22 "2001-08-24T02:02:11Z")
**Baltazar** : Please provide some corroborating evidence from a site other than ‘biblebelievers’. Mr. Shahak was very critical of the treatment of Palestinians by those he perceived to be fundamentalists of the Jewish faith. If you could cite why his perceived attitudes of extremists should be applied unilaterally to all practitioners of the faith, I’d appreciate it. There _are_ Christian sects which practice snake-handling based on a few passages of the bible being taken a bit too literally. Shall make assumptions about all Christians based on this? Mr. Shahak thought fundamentalists of his own faith took things too literally and openly criticized them [and provided fodder for anti-Semites in the process]. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/23 "2001-08-24T02:04:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*Yep, you’re a fuckin’ anti-Semitic assmunch! \*\* Oh pshaw…you’re just a tool of the zionist forces hell bent on ruining all that is God fearing (well, in a raving lunatical anti Catholic sorta way). Oh yeah. The holocaust was a [hoax](http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm). Baltazar: go put your robe and hood back on. ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/24 "2001-08-24T02:05:29Z")
Balt, I’d recommend looking at [jewfaq.org](http://jewfaq.org)’s discussion of [Jewish Attitudes Toward Non-Jews](http://www.jewfaq.org/gentiles.htm) if you are truly interested in an answer to your original question. ---
**Author:** ![Baltazar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/51bf81/32.png) [@Baltazar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baltazar)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/25 "2001-08-24T02:06:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Waverly \* > \*\ ***Baltazar** : Please provide some corroborating evidence from a site other than ‘biblebelievers’. Mr. Shahak was very critical of the treatment of Palestinians by those he perceived to be fundamentalists of the Jewish faith. If you could cite why his perceived attitudes of extremists should be applied unilaterally to all practitioners of the faith, I’d appreciate it. > > I have provided with some other links. > (by the way, you can just seek on Google) > > There _are_ Christian sects which practice snake-handling based on a few passages of the bible being taken a bit too literally. Shall make assumptions about all Christians based on this? Mr. Shahak thought fundamentalists of his own faith took things too literally and openly criticized them [and provided fodder for anti-Semites in the process]. \*\* I’m not an extremist nor am I religious. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/26 "2001-08-24T02:08:13Z")
Shoot, **BeagleDave** , you saw through my guise as a gay atheist to discover that I am, in fact, a minion of the Zionist Vatican Communist Banking Illuminati Trilateral [sub]fnord[/sub]Conspiracy! ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/27 "2001-08-24T02:09:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Baltazar \* > \*\*I don’t think that what Shahak wrote was too far from the truth really. I think his descriptin fits very well on a lot of zionists and orthodox jews. \*\* Why you fucking little asshole of a Hitler-fucking goat-molesting worthless no good pile of fucking anti-semetic fucking drippy molten mad cow shit! If I ever meet you in public, you’d better be a fucking Gold medal sprinter. Fuck you and all your skinhead friends. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/28 "2001-08-24T02:11:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Baltazar \* > > I don’t think that what Shahak wrote was too far from the truth really. I think his descriptin fits very well on a lot of zionists and orthodox jews. \*\* Why do you think this? Based on what evidence do you derive this belief? Frankly I get the strong impression that you are not looking for clarification, so much as either trolling for flames ( which is unacceptable here ), or backhandedly looking for support for what appears to be a strong streak anti-Semitism ( and you’re not going to find much on this board ). If you were seriously interested in a debate, you posted to the wrong forum. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/29 "2001-08-24T02:12:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Baltazar \* > I’m not an extremist nor am I religious. ::WHOOSH:: Show us why we should believe the tripe in your OP. Otherwise shut up and go away. There. I didn’t use any big words. Hopefully my post won’t be a source of confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Baltazar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/51bf81/32.png) [@Baltazar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baltazar)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/30 "2001-08-24T02:13:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Baltazar \* > > \*\*I don’t think that what Shahak wrote was too far from the truth really. I think his descriptin fits very well on a lot of zionists and orthodox jews. \*\* > > Why you fucking little asshole of a Hitler-fucking goat-molesting worthless no good pile of fucking anti-semetic fucking drippy molten mad cow shit! > > If I ever meet you in public, you’d better be a fucking Gold medal sprinter. > > Fuck you and all your skinhead friends. \*\* So you’re a tough guy. You should perhaps learn to face some facts before you use such strong word though. By the way, I’m not a skinnhead or a neo-nazi as you perhaps wish to think. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/31 "2001-08-24T02:14:11Z")
…strong streak **of** anti-Semitism…\*\* - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/32 "2001-08-24T02:17:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Baltazar \* > \*\*I don’t think that what Shahak wrote was too far from the truth really. I think his descriptin fits very well on a lot of zionists and orthodox jews. \*\* Oh really? Both, Zionists AND Orthodox Jews? You have a cite for this? I’m also sure you’ve done in depth study of the Torah, and the Talmud, and everyone who’s commented on the Torah and the Talmud. No doubt that that’s why Rabbi Meir says "How do we know that even a gentile who engages in the study of Torah is like a high priest? We learn from the verse (Leviticus 18:5) “which man shall do [i.e. study] and by which he shall live.” And that’s also probably why the Shulan Arach says “Anyone who steals even a minor amount violates the prohibition of [Leviticus 19:11] “You shall not steal” and is required to repay [the amount stolen] whether one steals from a Jew or a gentile.”, and Maimonides says “And it is biblically forbidden to steal even a minor amount; even a gentile - it is forbidden to steal from him or to cheat him. And if you stole from him or cheated him you must return the stolen money or object.” and “Righteous gentiles have a place in the world to come.” ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/33 "2001-08-24T02:20:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Baltazar \* > You should perhaps learn to face some facts before you use such strong word though. He’s faced the following facts: 1. You’re a fucking putz. 2. You’re idiotic. 3. You’re anti-Semitic. All of these draw us to this conclusion: 1. You’re an anti-Semitic, idiotic fucking putz. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/34 "2001-08-24T02:22:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Baltazar \* > **So you’re a tough guy.** I’m not at all tough, I just hate bigotted motherfuckers like you seem to be. Maybe I misjudged you, but you certainly haven’t given me any reason to make me think I have. \*\* > [@](#): > > You should perhaps learn to face some facts before you use such strong word though.\*\* OK, show me one fact to support anything you’ve said. > [@](#): > > \*\*By the way, I’m not a skinnhead or a neo-nazi as you perhaps wish to think. \*\* Then don’t act like one, kay? :rolleyes: [Edited by TubaDiva on 08-23-2001 at 09:47 PM] ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/35 "2001-08-24T02:23:12Z")
**Baltazar** : Umm, more rhetoric by way of Israel Shahak is not _ **corroberation** _. Do I need to explain the terminology? If this is a discussion and not a pathetic troll, then cough up something more ( **not** by way of Shahak.) Do you not agree that statements this controversial should be given supporting evidence from more than one source? ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/36 "2001-08-24T02:24:32Z")
I got so mad I forgot to fucking fix the vB code! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Baltazar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/51bf81/32.png) [@Baltazar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baltazar)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/37 "2001-08-24T02:32:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tamerlane \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Baltazar \* > > > > I don’t think that what Shahak wrote was too far from the truth really. I think his descriptin fits very well on a lot of zionists and orthodox jews. \*\* > > Why do you think this? Based on what evidence do you derive this belief? > > Frankly I get the strong impression that you are not looking for clarification, so much as either trolling for flames ( which is unacceptable here ), or backhandedly looking for support for what appears to be a strong streak anti-Semitism ( and you’re not going to find much on this board ). > > If you were seriously interested in a debate, you posted to the wrong forum. > > - Tamerlane \*\* Let me explain. I think Shahak writes the truth, but I also thinks he exaggerate. (I haven’t read the whole book). I must also say (as I’ve said earlier) that I think his description fits on the more nationalistic and extremistic parts of jews and Israelis. Perhaps most where orthodoxy- and zionistic ideology meets. The problem is that this is a very effective group with a lot of power. I think jews in genral should take what Shahak writes serious and question them selves and especially their culture. (fanatic sionists and the very religious jews are beyond help) **People here can say what they wan’t, but Shahak touches important parts of jewish culture and ideology, parts that are unhealthy for both jews and not at least for a lot of non-jews.** … ---
**Author:** ![Bluepony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bluepony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bluepony)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/38 "2001-08-24T02:39:17Z")
Logic and reasonable dialogue is wasted on this pathetic piece of whale shit called Baltazar. It’s pretty clear, Baltazar is a waste of sperm. Whatever you are trying to accomplish will go no further. I have Jewish friends. They are great people. I am not Jewish. I will speak out in their defense. I will speak up for them. I will not be silent on anti-Semitism. I feel good about picking up the wet rock that you live under and taking your miserable views head on. Kristalnacht will _never_ happen again. Not in print, not in spoken word, and not on the Internet. Fuck off Baltazar. ---
**Author:** ![Baltazar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/51bf81/32.png) [@Baltazar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baltazar)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/39 "2001-08-24T02:45:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bluepony \* > \*\*Logic and reasonable dialogue is wasted on this pathetic piece of whale shit called Baltazar. > > It’s pretty clear, Baltazar is a waste of sperm. Whatever you are trying to accomplish will go no further. > > I have Jewish friends. They are great people. I am not Jewish. I will speak out in their defense. I will speak up for them. I will not be silent on anti-Semitism. I feel good about picking up the wet rock that you live under and taking your miserable views head on. > > Kristalnacht will _never_ happen again. Not in print, not in spoken word, and not on the Internet. > > Fuck off Baltazar. \*\* As I said early, I don’t think Shahak description fits on all jews, far from it. But a lot of jews especially in Israel have some explenation to do. Their behavior seem to have no limit. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2001, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821/40 "2001-08-24T02:49:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bluepony \* > \*\*Logic and reasonable dialogue is wasted on this pathetic piece of whale shit called Baltazar. > > It’s pretty clear, Baltazar is a waste of sperm. Whatever you are trying to accomplish will go no further. > > I have Jewish friends. They are great people. I am not Jewish. I will speak out in their defense. I will speak up for them. I will not be silent on anti-Semitism. I feel good about picking up the wet rock that you live under and taking your miserable views head on. > > Kristalnacht will _never_ happen again. Not in print, not in spoken word, and not on the Internet. > > Fuck off Baltazar. \*\* _Wild applause_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-true-about-the-jews-and-their-religion-grrr-do-they-look-upon-non-jews/77821.md?page=3)