# Is this use of the verb "belie" correct? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 20, 2020, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789 "2020-07-20T03:11:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/1 "2020-07-20T03:11:53Z")
A forward-thinking high school senior has taken on Trader Joe’s for some of their marketing. The student’s petition evidently includes this text: “labels some of its ethnic foods with modifications of ‘Joe’ that belies a narrative of exoticism that perpetuates harmful stereotypes.” I’m all for the sentiment - given my geographic circumstances, I have never been in a Trader Joe’s, but I cringed at the accompanying picture showing taco shells marketed as “Trader Jose’s” - but the editor in me screams "That is NOT a correct usage of the word “belie.” Dopers, please comment. Am I wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/2 "2020-07-20T03:35:29Z")
Yes, the meaning is wrong of course. To belie a narrative is to contradict it, not support it. Also, the form of the verb does not agree with the plural subject (modifications). And I think an editor would say the concatenated “that” clauses are inelegant. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/3 "2020-07-20T03:40:37Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > To belie a narrative is to contradict it, not support it. That was exactly what I thought. Glad I’m not the only one. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/4 "2020-07-20T03:46:00Z")
I should take more care over my own vocabulary. It would have been better to describe the “that” clauses as nested rather than concatenated. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/5 "2020-07-20T04:24:14Z")
I rather like it the way it is: Modifications of ‘Joe’ contradict _harmful_ stereotypes (by using harmless stereotypes) ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/6 "2020-07-20T05:31:45Z")
I might have used the word “bespeaks” instead. And I would have constructed the sentence differently I think. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/7 "2020-07-20T06:20:14Z")
Foster, engender, establish, promote. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/8 "2020-07-20T08:50:22Z")
How about _perpetuate_? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/9 "2020-07-20T13:35:56Z")
I think the word they meant was “betrays” (which can mean to reveal) ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/10 "2020-07-20T15:16:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How about _perpetuate_ ? That would work except that “perpetuate” is already used in the phrase so it would be sort of awkward: “labels some of its ethnic foods with modifications of ‘Joe’ that **perpetuate** a narrative of exoticism that **perpetuates** harmful stereotypes.” ( **Riemann** was also right about the verb conjugation.) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/11 "2020-07-20T18:56:30Z")
I see that the NY Times article (below, seen in the Pit thread about this) diplomatically used a direct quote for only a part of that sentence, allowing them to subtly correct the verb (they chose “reflect”). > Those products and others reflect “a narrative of exoticism that perpetuates harmful stereotypes,” according to the petition, which on Sunday had been signed by more than 1,500 people. > **[Petition Urges Trader Joe’s to Get Rid of ‘Racist Branding’ (Published 2020)](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/business/trader-joes-petition.html)** > > The supermarket chain said it was in the process of phasing out names, including Trader Ming’s and Trader José, that have appeared on its international food products. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/12 "2020-07-20T19:00:12Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How about _perpetuate_ ? > [@CairoCarol](#): > > That would work except that “perpetuate” is already used in the phrase so it would be sort of awkward: > > “labels some of its ethnic foods with modifications of ‘Joe’ that **perpetuate** a narrative of exoticism that **perpetuates** harmful stereotypes.” Also, I don’t think perpetuate is the semantic intent of the first verb. I think TJ are being accused of _creating_ a narrative of exoticism in their marketing. ---
**Author:** ![Jebbilene](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jebbilene/32/3414_2.png) [@Jebbilene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jebbilene)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/13 "2020-07-20T21:13:33Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Yes, the meaning is wrong of course. To belie a narrative is to contradict it, not support it. Also, the form of the verb does not agree with the plural subject (modifications). And I think an editor would say the concatenated “that” clauses are inelegant. For me, the first ‘that’ should be a ‘which’. It’s not the modifications that belie, it’s the whole act of labelling, hence the singular verb. I see this construction a lot but I am not sure if it is formally correct. It does seem inelegant, as you put it. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/14 "2020-07-20T21:29:44Z")
IMO “betoken” works better than “belie” & keeps the same rhythm. “Signifies” also works if the rhythm doesn’t matter. The point of the “belies” clause is not that exoticism is a secret exposed. It’s that creating the feeling of exoticism is exactly the point of their TJ’s various ethnic names. The next clause goes on to say that in trying to create exoticism they’re actually just creating bad old-fashioned ethnic stereotyping. IMO “belies” is utterly the wrong word for that mission. At a meta level I suppose you could argue that the author meant something akin to “this lame attempt at exoticism (over a taco shell in 2020? Give me a friggin break!!) belies the underlying prejudices of the unreconstructed old farts & racists at TJ’s HQ.” That use of “belies” could work. IMO our author polished his work a little too hard and compressed one too many layers of meaning into a single jam packed sentence that didn’t work in isolation. It only works if you know the editing history that took him there. I’ve _never_ done that. At least not in this post. I don’t think! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Delayed\_Reflex](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/delayed_reflex/32/3172_2.png) [@Delayed\_Reflex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delayed_Reflex)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/15 "2020-07-20T23:18:49Z")
This thread has been educational for me! For some reason I was under the impression that “belie” simply meant “doesn’t explicitly say something, it implies some subtext” - now that I’ve looked up the definition, I see my understanding of it was incorrect. Perhaps the writer had the same misunderstanding of the word that I had. I think the writer intended to express “subtly conveys” or possibly even “unconsciously conveys”. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/16 "2020-07-20T23:27:31Z")
It’s not a word where the meaning is intuitive, it’s easy to imagine it to mean something similar to “underlie”, to lie physically under something -\> to support it, to be the basis for it. But the etymology of belie turns out to be from lie in the sense of telling an untruth. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/17 "2020-07-20T23:46:12Z")
The [primary meaning](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/belie) of “belie” is "to show to be false; contradict: " To me, “labels … that belies a narrative of exoticism” would seem to indicate that the store claims that its products are exotic, but the labels demonstrate otherwise. I don’t know if that is the intended meaning. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-use-of-the-verb-belie-correct/915789/18 "2020-07-22T06:12:13Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > A forward-thinking high school senior has taken on Trader Joe’s for some of their marketing. The student’s petition evidently includes this text: “labels some of its ethnic foods with modifications of ‘Joe’ that belies a narrative of exoticism that perpetuates harmful stereotypes.” [Dictionary.com](http://Dictionary.com) gives a second definition for belie: to misrepresent. Replacing “belies” in thia context with “misrepresents” works for me. BTW, it loooks like the hottest trend in American cuisine marketing is exoticism, but it is now hate-speec to reference any exotic connection? How does that work?