# Is this what The Simpsons is now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 30, 2018, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331 "2018-04-30T02:23:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/41 "2018-04-30T23:02:22Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So your proof that these things aren’t necessary is the way you turned out? Did I say anything like that, or even remotely close to it? I questioned why they suddenly became necessary a couple of years ago (gee, just about the time Trump got elected - imagine that). Where in there was I trying to prove anything? Oh, wait, I forgot. You’re a liberal, **Bo.** You therefore have carte blanche to make incorrect, half-assed assumptions about nearly everything, especially posts by a conservative. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![Batano](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@Batano](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batano)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/42 "2018-04-30T23:05:13Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > Someone who claims to believe in Young Earth Creationism is a liar or mentally incompetent. Such a person should not be admitted to a university as a student, let alone as a teacher. Hell, I’m not sure about their admissibility to third grade. > > Someone who believes that women should stay home _more than men should stay home_, **while there are children under the age of two** in that family, probably have a point worth discussing. Beyond that? I doubt it. They’d have a lot of proving to do. There’s nothing a mother can do for a four-year-old that a father isn’t equally able to do. _Someone_ has to be home, of course. After the age of 2, is there a necessary reason for it to be the mother? > > Someone who believes that race should not be considered has a lot of explaining to do - race has always been considered. To simply stop considering it is to decide in favour of the status quo, and the status quo is white men. I’m an older white guy and I don’t find it difficult to wrap my brain around this. I see you belive in both kinds of diversity: Country and Western ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/43 "2018-04-30T23:10:45Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > Someone who claims to believe in Young Earth Creationism is a liar or mentally incompetent. Such a person should not be admitted to a university as a student, let alone as a teacher. Hell, I’m not sure about their admissibility to third grade. > > Someone who believes that women should stay home _more than men should stay home_, **while there are children under the age of two** in that family, probably have a point worth discussing. Beyond that? I doubt it. They’d have a lot of proving to do. There’s nothing a mother can do for a four-year-old that a father isn’t equally able to do. _Someone_ has to be home, of course. After the age of 2, is there a necessary reason for it to be the mother? > > Someone who believes that race should not be considered has a lot of explaining to do - race has always been considered. To simply stop considering it is to decide in favour of the status quo, and the status quo is white men. I’m an older white guy and I don’t find it difficult to wrap my brain around this. Would you apply that same standard to all religious beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![DKW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dkw/32/3118_2.png) [@DKW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DKW)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/44 "2018-05-01T04:52:48Z")
Let me be perfectly clear. I am looking for insights into the recent seasons of a long-running cartoon (let’s say 27th and later). I am asking this because I have not watched said cartoon at all in a very long time and haven’t been a regular viewer for an eternity. I’m not sure how much the show’s new direction will affect me _yet_ (in all likelihood not very much), but this is a thing I’m almost certainly going to _hear about_ in my usual spaces, so it’s good to stay informed. I am _not_ getting into a debate about snowflakes or SJWs here. Forget it. octopus - _Several_ cartoons. Been seriously let down by The Boondocks as well. And hey, I never expected to be angsting either. Visceral responses kinda just _happen_, y’know? ITR Champion - Glad that your college experience went so smoothly. I’m guessing you didn’t need academic counseling, remedial coursework after bombing an entire semester, multiple attempts at the same core courses, and a very nice doctor to treat a horrendous coughing fit either. Well, **I did,** and I never felt the tiniest bit of shame for using whatever resources I needed to graduate. And guess what, there were a whole bunch of other services I didn’t need, like financial aid or wheelchair access. (Did I mention that this was some rinky-dink community college that couldn’t even afford to replace the rusted-out guardrails?) I never once grumbled about their existence because I know know that _I’m not the only goddam person in the world_. (What do you have against comfort animals, anyway?) Covfefe - Going by memory: Abraham is mostly an eccentric who jumps between pitiable, bitter, and needy, with the occasional bout of heroism; Jasper is a curmudgeon, not very likable but mostly harmless so long as he’s not teaching anybody; Agnes is a bit unsettling but not really all that evil, and she’s had some wickedly funny exchanges (“OW! You stepped on my toes again!” “Well, if you let me lead, it wouldn’t happen.” “You’re no leader, Seymour. Never have been, never will be.”); Jackie’s completely worthless, but she’s been in like two episodes so who the hell cares; Hans is…a punching bag; and Monty is…a rich capitalist, 'nuff said. The only time I saw the show come close to riffing on old people (other than that blurb in that Uncle Moe’s commercial, which I’m not sure should count) was when they won a vote which forced everyone below a really old age to obey a curfew. Anyway, this show has frequently backed unions, the homeless, immigrants, struggling parents, accident victims etc.; where are you seeing all this punching down? Darren Garrison - You want to sing the merits of Son of Zorn, you can go to [the thread I made about it](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=806316). Been down for a while (the show getting cancelled will do that), but if you have something, go right ahead. The Other Waldo Pepper - Gah. Well, since you brought it up: Do you think becoming President has improved Donald Trump’s life in any meaningful way? This is a man who’s been given so many free rides in life he has a whole bus to himself. Every time he failed miserably in a business, some other schmuck was right there to fork over another fistful of venture capital. Every time a media outlet got sick and tired of him, another stepped right in with to give him a new platform. Every time a woman got completely disgusted with him and told him to hit the bricks, another was there waiting to be swept into his disturbingly-miscolored arms. Going into the '16 election, he’d gotten everything he wanted, taken everything he wanted, said everything he wanted, and _never_ had to suffer any meaningful consequences. Now? Investigations up the yin-yang, cabinet members dropping like flies, endless ridicule, rallies have all the energy of a malfunctioning IPhone, and his own working-class base now hates his guts (which the media made sure we never forgot via the roughly 20,000 articles they did about that, but that’s another issue). He’s had to work out a convoluted travel scheme just to golf as much as he likes (yeah, that whole live-in-one-building-in-one-city thing hasn’t worked out at all for him). And that’s in addition to the _normal_ health-wrecking headaches inherent to being The Most Powerful Man in the Free World. And for what, so he could make a bunch of guys already way richer than him even richer? But do you know who _would_ appreciate the power that the Presidency gives? The repulsive, useless, foulmouthed, good-for-nothing cretin who doesn’t know anything other than “getting a rise out of” others. I’ve known plenty of them growing up. And do you know what they achieved in life? NOTHING. They lived the good life, they got outrageously lenient treatment, they were crude and repulsive and infantile up to the very last day of high school, and when it was over…they just disappeared. _All of them._ None of them became the boss of a Fortune 500 company, none of them hit upon an amazing invention that made them incredibly famous, none of them made a killing in the stock fortune. _Not. One._ So when I say that being worthless and obnoxious is going to hurt you down the road, this isn’t some plaintive cry from a powerless little man, this is _my actual life experience_, which has NEVER been contradicted. Trump wasn’t the scum that rose to the top. He was at the top from day one. If you think that it’s possible for some obnoxious nobody to luck his way into power, you’re going to be disappointed. And if you think it’s going to be YOU… uh… please try to get over it before you learn the hard way. Dewey Finn - Thanks for providing some context. And since apparently no one here is still watching the show (or at least won’t admit to it), I’ll just have to conclude that the quality of the writing has gone down and they need cheap gags to fill out episodes. Sounds about right. (Am I the only one here who kinda misses Futurama? I mean, it was never _amazing_, but I applauded Matt Groening trying to go in a different direction and he really deserved better than that.) ---
**Author:** ![DKW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dkw/32/3118_2.png) [@DKW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DKW)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/45 "2018-05-01T04:55:12Z")
Let me be perfectly clear. I am looking for insights into the recent seasons of a long-running cartoon (let’s say 27th and later). I am asking this because I have not watched said cartoon at all in a very long time and haven’t been a regular viewer for an eternity. I’m not sure how much the show’s new direction will affect me _yet_ (in all likelihood not very much), but this is a thing I’m almost certainly going to _hear about_ in my usual spaces, so it’s good to stay informed. I am _not_ getting into a debate about snowflakes or SJWs here. Forget it. octopus - _Several_ cartoons. Been seriously let down by The Boondocks as well. And hey, I never expected to be angsting either. Visceral responses kinda just _happen_, y’know? ITR Champion - Glad that your college experience went so smoothly. I’m guessing you didn’t need academic counseling, remedial coursework after bombing an entire semester, multiple attempts at the same core courses, and a very nice doctor to treat a horrendous coughing fit either. Well, **I did,** and I never felt the tiniest bit of shame for using whatever resources I needed to graduate. And guess what, there were a whole bunch of other services I didn’t need, like financial aid or wheelchair access. (Did I mention that this was some rinky-dink community college that couldn’t even afford to replace the rusted-out guardrails?) I never once grumbled about their existence because I know know that _I’m not the only goddam person in the world_. (What do you have against comfort animals, anyway?) Covfefe - Going by memory: Abraham is mostly an eccentric who jumps between pitiable, bitter, and needy, with the occasional bout of heroism; Jasper is a curmudgeon, not very likable but mostly harmless so long as he’s not teaching anybody; Agnes is a bit unsettling but not really all that evil, and she’s had some wickedly funny exchanges (“OW! You stepped on my toes again!” “Well, if you let me lead, it wouldn’t happen.” “You’re no leader, Seymour. Never have been, never will be.”); Jackie’s completely worthless, but she’s been in like two episodes so who the hell cares; Hans is…a punching bag; and Monty is…a rich capitalist, 'nuff said. The only time I saw the show come close to riffing on old people (other than that blurb in that Uncle Moe’s commercial, which I’m not sure should count) was when they won a vote which forced everyone below a really old age to obey a curfew. Anyway, this show has frequently backed unions, the homeless, immigrants, struggling parents, accident victims etc.; where are you seeing all this punching down? Darren Garrison - You want to sing the merits of Son of Zorn, you can go to [the thread I made about it](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=806316). Been down for a while (the show getting cancelled will do that), but if you have something, go right ahead. The Other Waldo Pepper - Gah. Well, since you brought it up: Do you think becoming President has improved Donald Trump’s life in any meaningful way? This is a man who’s been given so many free rides in life he has a whole bus to himself. Every time he failed miserably in a business, some other schmuck was right there to fork over another fistful of venture capital. Every time a media outlet got sick and tired of him, another stepped right in with to give him a new platform. Every time a woman got completely disgusted with him and told him to hit the bricks, another was there waiting to be swept into his disturbingly-miscolored arms. Going into the '16 election, he’d gotten everything he wanted, taken everything he wanted, said everything he wanted, and _never_ had to suffer any meaningful consequences. Now? Investigations up the yin-yang, cabinet members dropping like flies, endless ridicule, rallies have all the energy of a malfunctioning IPhone, and his own working-class base now hates his guts (which the media made sure we never forgot via the roughly 20,000 articles they did about that, but that’s another issue). He’s had to work out a convoluted travel scheme just to golf as much as he likes (yeah, that whole live-in-one-building-in-one-city thing hasn’t worked out at all for him). And that’s in addition to the _normal_ health-wrecking headaches inherent to being The Most Powerful Man in the Free World. And for what, so he could make a bunch of guys already way richer than him even richer? But do you know who _would_ appreciate the power that the Presidency gives? The repulsive, useless, foulmouthed, good-for-nothing cretin who doesn’t know anything other than “getting a rise out of” others. I’ve known plenty of them growing up. And do you know what they achieved in life? NOTHING. They lived the good life, they got outrageously lenient treatment, they were crude and repulsive and infantile up to the very last day of high school, and when it was over…they just disappeared. _All of them._ None of them became the boss of a Fortune 500 company, none of them hit upon an amazing invention that made them incredibly famous, none of them made a killing in the stock market or became the host of a hit reality TV show or started a successful religious movement. _Not. One._ So when I say that being worthless and obnoxious is going to hurt you down the road, this isn’t some plaintive cry from a powerless little man, this is _my actual life experience_, which has NEVER been contradicted. Trump wasn’t the scum that rose to the top. He was at the top from day one. If you think that it’s possible for some obnoxious nobody to luck his way into power, you’re going to be disappointed. And if you think it’s going to be YOU… uh… please try to get over it before you learn the hard way. Dewey Finn - Thanks for providing some context. And since apparently no one here is still watching the show (or at least won’t admit to it), I’ll just have to conclude that the quality of the writing has gone down and they need cheap gags to fill out episodes. Sounds about right. (Am I the only one here who kinda misses Futurama? I mean, it was never _amazing_, but I applauded Matt Groening trying to go in a different direction and he really deserved better than that.) ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/46 "2018-05-01T05:06:06Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Would you apply that same standard to all religious beliefs? Which standard? The standard that when opinion disagrees with evidence then the evidence wins? If you’re not sure, maybe second grade is still available as a refresher for you. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/47 "2018-05-01T05:13:01Z")
DKW: > [@](#): > > Am I the only one here who kinda misses Futurama? I mean, it was never amazing I disagree, I thought the first run was brilliant. However, the second run (third if you count the straight-to-DVD-movies as a “run” of the show) wasn’t, it was more like latter-season South Park - every episode being about a contemporary issue (and downright preachy, at that) or a parody of a popular film. There were some good ones in that run, but not nearly as much so. So I miss what it once was, but seeing the nearly-dry well of the creators’ creativity when they tried to continue it, I can’t say I want them to bring it back yet again. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/48 "2018-05-01T05:13:08Z")
I have no desire to bump the old thread about _Son of Zorn_–I will say just that in my opinion saying that it was “Rentless in its mockery of the very existence of leftist ideas.” reminds me very much of whatshisname’s famous appraisal of _Back to the Future_. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/49 "2018-05-01T05:59:55Z")
I literally had to check to make sure I hadnt wandered out of Cafe Society somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/50 "2018-05-01T07:17:51Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > Yeah. I would have thought so too, seeing as the prominent voices–Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher–are clearly left-wing. The only exception was Christopher Hitchens, who was proud Trotskyite for most of his life, but in his final years aligned with neoconservatives and supported the war in Iraq. He was clearly still left wing to the end, the support of some issues that neocons supported was an unavoidable outcome of his being willing to judge each issue on its merits. > [@](#): > > [But lately the left seems to have decided otherwise](https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/12/new-atheism-old-empire) and to be generally in agreement with what **BigT** said about them. The primary sticking point is that the new atheists criticize Islam, which leftists have decided is not ok. Which I find fascinating, If the tenets and practices of Islamic cultures were labelled as a political ideology the left would have nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/51 "2018-05-01T07:22:16Z")
> [@DKW](#): > > Let me be perfectly clear. I am looking for insights into the recent seasons of a long-running cartoon (let’s say 27th and later). I am asking this because I have not watched said cartoon at all in a very long time and haven’t been a regular viewer for an eternity. I’m not sure how much the show’s new direction will affect me _yet_ (in all likelihood not very much), but this is a thing I’m almost certainly going to _hear about_ in my usual spaces, so it’s good to stay informed. > > I am _not_ getting into a debate about snowflakes or SJWs here. Forget it. Hey, you were the one that chose that clip and devoted your first paragraph on the attack (as you perceived it to be) on the SJW culture in universities. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/52 "2018-05-01T10:54:57Z")
> [@DKW](#): > > Let me be perfectly clear. I am looking for insights into the recent seasons of a long-running cartoon (let’s say 27th and later). I am asking this because I have not watched said cartoon at all in a very long time and haven’t been a regular viewer for an eternity. I’m not sure how much the show’s new direction will affect me _yet_ (in all likelihood not very much), but this is a thing I’m almost certainly going to _hear about_ in my usual spaces, so it’s good to stay informed. > > I am _not_ getting into a debate about snowflakes or SJWs here. Forget it. That’s an interesting move: you simply note that “All right, guests, quick education. Do you know why things like safe spaces, inclusive language, and multiculturalism exist? Because **people need them,** dammit.” And then you mention a scolding from an SJW before you — loftily inform us that you are _not_ getting into a debate about snowflakes or SJWs here, forget it. Is this how the other side should make their points? Just say, “all right, guests, quick education: people **don’t need those things,** dammit — sure as affirmative action is damnable racism and should be abolished. But I am _not_ getting into a debate about either subject here; I just wanted to put some stuff out there, and then tell folks to forget about debating it, see? I’ll do the Let Me Be Perfectly Clear bit about what I’m looking for insights about, but only _after_ I flatly state some other things and then declare them off-limits; do we have a deal?” If so, then I’ll gladly say tons of stuff and note that it shouldn’t be debated. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/53 "2018-05-01T13:42:29Z")
> [@DKW](#): > > And since apparently no one here is still watching the show (or at least won’t admit to it), I’ll just have to conclude that the quality of the writing has gone down and they need cheap gags to fill out episodes. I am. And I am one of several who have posted here to disagree with your reaction to the linked scene and to tell you to Lighten up Francis. Yes, the quality of the writing has gone down since the show’s “golden age”; sometimes it comes close, and sometimes it doesn’t, and the show will never again have the freshness it had in its heyday, but IMHO it remains recognizably the same show. And yes, they sometimes use cheap gags to fill out episodes. And there may have been some of that in what you linked to. Although, as I pointed out upthread, the scene(s) do serve a purpose within the context of the episode. But that’s not what your OP was complaining about: not that the gags were cheap, but that they were making fun of things that should be sacred and off-limits. And, personally, I tend not to be as fond of episodes that are built around some current Social Issue or Hot Topic In The News. But that’s not a new thing; it goes back at least to “Homer Badman,” the “sexual harassment” episode from Season 6. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/54 "2018-05-01T14:58:47Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > But that’s not what your OP was complaining about: not that the gags were cheap, but that they were making fun of things that should be sacred and off-limits. Yep, it is a case of [del]I didn’t think the leopards would eat _my_ face[/del] I didn’t think The Simpsons would satirize _my_ culture! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/55 "2018-05-01T19:54:25Z")
**[Moderating]** > [@jayjay](#): > > Yeah, and look how you turned out! > > (That was not a compliment.) And this is not the BBQ Pit. Personal insults against other posters are not allowed here. This is an official Warning. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/56 "2018-05-01T20:17:38Z")
> [@](#): > > All right, guests, quick education. Do you know why things like safe spaces, inclusive language, and multiculturalism exist? Because people need them, dammit. And college meets those needs, just like it provides things like financial aid, health care, and career counseling. And you need to know about them if you’re going to function in the real world, because you will be dealing with these people in the real world. I’m dead serious here. If you go through life an unthinking, loud, obnoxious jerk, shouting whatever you want whenever you want and never giving a crap about anyone else, the possible consequences are not sensitivity training or a scolding from some “SJW”, they’re getting barred from everywhere you want to go, getting beaten up, getting thrown into jail, or…worst case scenario…getting a bullet in the brain or slowly starving to death in a filthy alley. I’d argue that the idea of “safe spaces” and other stereotypical SJW “needs” are actually against their best interests in the long run. They are almost universally dismissed by conservatives, and are actually turning some people that were slightly center left, and “classic liberals” away. A classic liberal doesn’t think loud obnoxious jerks saying offensive things should ever merit being beat up, thrown in jail or shot in the head. Fired? Perhaps (yet unlikely). Beat up, jailed or shot in the head? No. They’re also pretty cool with conservatives, even “mean” ones, being allowed to speak without guaranteed riots occurring. Beating people up, throwing people in jail, and shooting them in the head for saying anything less than a call to violence, is usually reserved for fascism. This stuff was certainly not THE factor, but definitely was A factor in why Donald Trump is president today. A perception that the pendulum swung too far left. Donald Trump didn’t win because he was so awesome (his numbers were about on par with Romney), he won because a lot of people in key places that voted for Obama didn’t either voted for Trump, or didn’t vote at all. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/57 "2018-05-01T21:10:12Z")
Wait, am I misunderstanding the OP because apparently he thinks The Critic was a right wing show? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/58 "2018-05-01T22:44:10Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > Wait, am I misunderstanding the OP because apparently he thinks The Critic was a right wing show? [_The Critic_ is horribly offensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=70710). Of course, [it doesn’t hold a candle to _The Boondocks_.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=529219) ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/59 "2018-05-19T18:54:08Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Speaking of that, there was a recent kerfuffle over Diane on \*Bojack Horseman \*not having a Vietnamese voice actor. Is the character Vietnamese? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331/60 "2018-05-19T19:00:03Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > Is the character Vietnamese? [Yes](http://bojackhorseman.wikia.com/wiki/Diane_Nguyen). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-the-simpsons-is-now/813331.md?page=2)