# IS this what u want ??? be honest .... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 23, 2003, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621 "2003-04-23T16:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/81 "2003-04-25T19:51:11Z")
**Jeff Olsen** appears to correct, [Sea Captain] That be no signature, tis an inhuman spamming machine [/Sea Captain]. Sigh. Sorry about that- it’s a spam-based quasi-signature. But not the real thing. Probably just a ctrl-V. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/82 "2003-04-25T20:18:34Z")
Real sigs don’t show up when quoting. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/83 "2003-04-25T21:07:32Z")
**Inssanah’s** posts provide a good example of why I opposed this war - they illustrate the capacity for Muslim rage at the inflicting of _any_ casualties on Muslims by non-Muslims, whatever the justification. We can point out the vastly greater number of deaths and horrific suffering inflicting by Saddam on his people and cite hundreds of thousands of murders and deportations by his now-deposed regime, but the Insannahs of the world don’t want to hear about that. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Inssanah \* > \*\*IM PROUD TO BE MUSLEM GIRLE SPEAKING ARABIC LANGUGE & NOT ENGLISH …I JUST WANT TO INVITE U TO READ ABOUT ISLAM FIRST , THEN COME TO TELL ME ABOUT URE OPINION … > OK… DON’T ASK ME… ASK ANY AMERICAN MUSLEM … > > MAY ALLAH GUIDE U TO THE RIGHT ROAD …\*\* **Insannah** , I don’t think any of us would dream of insulting you by a communication proclaiming ourselves proud to be Christians or Jews, inviting you to read about our religion(s) and praying for Christ to guide you to the “right road”. Yet you post here as a proselytizer for your religion.\*\* > [@](#): > > WE ARE AGAINST WAR, DESTROYING & KILLINGN IN ANY PLACE … EVEN AT AMERICA ITSELFE … > \*\* Well gee thanks. You’re against war and killing, “even” if it involves The Great Satan. If you want reasoned, non-hostile responses, I suggest you address the board in a less confrontational manner. ---
**Author:** ![djf750](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea666f/32.png) [@djf750](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/djf750)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/84 "2003-04-25T21:17:38Z")
[Damn Sarge, I haven’t had sex in so long I can’t remember who gets tied and has to wear the hood.](http://www.alyaum.com/imagesIssues/10880_115_1.jpg) [You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself about…](http://www.alyaum.com/imagesIssues/10880_206_1.jpg) [Wally! Beaver! Get up or you’ll be late for school!](http://www.alyaum.com/imagesIssues/10880_312_1.jpg) [Damn Uday, all he said was your ass was getting a little big.](http://www.alyaum.com/imagesIssues/10880_314_1.jpg) [Sean Penn really said that? On Larry King Live? OH MY ALLAH!!!](http://www.alyaum.com/imagesIssues/10880_319_1.jpg) Fenris , you are sick. I like that. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/85 "2003-04-25T21:47:05Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ll second moriah. I may be wrong, but the second language thing seems too forced. Can’t speak to the second language thing, but the IP address does indeed resolve to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. But the one-trick pony act is getting tiresome. Really tiresome. Hey! Maybe the pony’s an Arabian? ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/86 "2003-04-25T22:07:49Z")
Maybe FORMERAGENT was kidnapped and brainwashed by the Saudi secret police? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/87 "2003-04-25T22:25:58Z")
Hey, **UB** , you screwed up the [link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3326888#post3326888) in the thread you closed! ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/88 "2003-04-26T00:07:41Z")
> [@](#): > > WE ARE AGAINST SADDAM EVEN BUSH & WHAT DID THEY DO BEFORE ??? And I am against idiocy. You have it in spades. Answer my questions. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/89 "2003-04-26T00:15:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dooku \* > \*\*Maybe FORMERAGENT was kidnapped and brainwashed by the Saudi secret police? 😃 \*\* YOU MUST NOT MENTION THAT NAME AGAIN! THIS IS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY. AS IT IS, OUR MEN WILL BE AT YOUR PLACE OF RESIDENCE WITHIN THE NEXT SEVEN MINUTES. DO NOT BE ALARMED. THEY ONLY WISH TO SCAN YOUR VICINITY FOR SPY DEVICES TO ENSURE YOUR CONTINUED SAFETY. IN ADDITION THEY WILL WISH TO CONFISCATE YOUR FINGERS SO THAT YOU CANNOT ACCIDENTALLY TYPE HIS NAME AGAIN. IF YOU HAND\* THEM OVER WITHOUT RESISTANCE, WE ARE PREPARED TO ALLOW YOU TO KEEP THREE OR MORE OF YOUR TOES. YOU WILL NOT GET A BETTER OFFER. FORMERFENRIS \*THIS IS A HUMOROUS REFERENCE. A PUNNE…OR PLAY ON WORDS. HAHAHA. IT WAS DESIGNED TO PUT YOU AT EASE. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/90 "2003-04-26T00:18:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jeff Olsen \* > \*\*Real sigs don’t show up when quoting. \*\* Ha! The old “no true sig line” fallacy. Don’t think you’re going to be able to get away with that kind of reasoning around here, Mr. Olsen! ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/91 "2003-04-26T00:59:53Z")
CANB NOWE ONHLLY TYYPPE WTH B:LOODFY STUMNP CABN"TY SEEMN TIO TURHNN OFFFF CAPOS LOC:KKKKK ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/92 "2003-04-26T02:17:40Z")
Not without reservation, I’m going to post my two cents. I don’t think a “let’s make funny captions for the photos that someone else has found very affecting” contest is the best way to fight ignorance. I don’t know if the pictures represent what Inssanah claims they do, but it’s hard to see them as humorous. In fact, I have no doubt that even a just war involves such horrors, so perhaps it’s a moot point. And to answer the OP directly: No, it is not what I want. No one wanted suffering. I believe most of those who strongly supported the war did so believing that ultimately Iraq’s citizens would be better off. I believe there are also pictures of at least some of the tens of thousands killed under the old regime. Personally, I think the solution that would have saved the most lives would have been employed back when Saddam made opposition a crime punishable by death – and having missed that window, I’m appalled that such blunt instruments as sweeping sanctions and war have been deemed necessary. So, to make myself the most unpopular doper for Friday, April 25, 2003, shame on Inssanah for assuming anyone out there would rejoice in suffering, and shame on those mocking her, and reinforcing what is no doubt a very prevalent belief in her neck of the woods that Americans _don’t_ care about the suffering of others. ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/93 "2003-04-26T04:15:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > \*\* > > Is the 16 line Sig a record? \*\* I can’t recall the gentleman’s name, but the longest I’ve seen was about three chapters worth of Lord of the Rings. Luckily, the poster in question was kind enough to actually post this through the signature function, so the mods changed it for him, Anybody out there rememebr that guy? ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/94 "2003-04-26T04:37:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > **FORMERFENRIS** Ah, good times, good times. I especially liked the part where he went: I AM CURRENTLY POSTING FROM MY AUTMOBILE. I HAVE TO SIGN OFF NOW, FOR I MUST PARALEL-PARK. Priceless. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Inssanah](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inssanah/32/7268_2.png) [@Inssanah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inssanah)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/95 "2003-04-26T15:37:44Z")
Eve YES MY DEAR … I READ IT ALL … FIRST YOUR KINDNESS… EVEN … COMENTS , LAUGHING , QUESTIONS … OF THE OTHERS … BUT WHAT DO U WANT ME TO SAY … ARGUING THEM … I’LL NOT… IF THEY TURN THE MOST IMPORTANT SUBJECT UP SIDE DOWN … THEY TREATED IT AS LAUGHING SHOW … AND SOME OF THEM CHANGE THE TRUTH … AND SOME OF THEM … USING … BAD WRDS … I CAN’T EVEN SAY IT … WHEN U SEE THE STRANGE DESTROYING THE INNOCENT PEOPLE’S COUNTRY … UNDER THE NAME OF FREEDOM … I’M GOING TO ANSWER ONLY THIS … MR. Jeff Olsen U ASK ME ABOUT 9\11 … OUR PROPHET MUHAMMAD( PBUH ) PREVENT US FROM KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE EVEN AT WAR … AND AS MUSLEMS WE DON’T AGREE TO DO SO … IN OUR BELIEVE WE KILL ,ONLY, THE BAD PEOPLE WHO FIGHT ISLAM AND KILL MUSLEMS , WE FIGHAT THE INVADERS , WE FIGHT THE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO OCCUPY OUR ISLAMIC COUNTRIES LIKE JEWISH … THE MOST BAD PEOPLE … BUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 9\11 SOMTHING STRANGE … EVEN TO US IS THIS ENOUGH Jeff Olsen ?? OK WHAT DO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN PALESTINE NOW & IN IRAQ ??? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/96 "2003-04-26T16:05:51Z")
I will assume for the moment that **Inssanah** is serious about what she says. Call me an optimist. **Inssanah** , if you are claiming that there is no way to justify the deaths of children during war, would you like to go on record as condemning the deaths of innocent Israeli children who were maimed and murdered by Palestinian suicide bombers? If I linked to some pictures of them, would that discredit the entire Palestinian movement? In other words, is that what u want? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/97 "2003-04-26T16:09:11Z")
_sigh_ She’s a spamming, one-trick pony. Just ban her already! ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/98 "2003-04-26T16:10:38Z")
Where is **Collounsbury** when you need him? > [@](#): > > IN OUR BELIEVE WE KILL ,ONLY, THE BAD PEOPLE WHO FIGHT ISLAM AND KILL MUSLEMS , WE FIGHAT THE INVADERS , WE FIGHT THE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO OCCUPY OUR ISLAMIC COUNTRIES LIKE JEWISH … THE MOST BAD PEOPLE … Well, calling Jews “the most bad people” pretty much shows how even-minded this Insannah person is. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![XJETGIRLX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9fc29f/32.png) [@XJETGIRLX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XJETGIRLX)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/99 "2003-04-26T17:17:15Z")
**Inssanah** , are you looking for an honest dioalogue on the matter or do you just want to put forth your view without criticism? Do you expect all of us to chime in with a chorus of “How awful, you know I never thought of that! She’s right!” ? And can you stop yelling please? You’re hurting my ears. All kidding aside, this is not the kind of topic you can just bust in on someone with and expect to get a reasoned debate. If you want to be taken seriously, then try setting forth your points in a reasoned manner. Lay out your assertions, find some facts to back them up, and then pose a few questions. And don’t accuse others of not taking it seriously when you yourself don’t seem to care about listening to opposing opinions. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are sincere with this. I will apologize for my incredulity and my lightheartedness earlier in this thread, but I would humbly ask that you check out the Great Debates forum, stop posting in all uppercase and search for answers with an open heart. I’m sure there are many that would be enlightened by your viewpoint, and I’m sure there are many here who could also enlighten you. Respectfully, Jet ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2003, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621/100 "2003-04-26T17:55:00Z")
I am going to appologize ahead of time for this as I am not one to make fun of others who have difficulty with a language (I sound like a retarded 2 year old when I speak French), but as this discussion seems to be going nowhere it ameliorates my consience a bit. Did anyone else think of a certain short green guy when they heard, “ARGUING THEM … I’LL NOT…?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-this-what-u-want-be-honest/170621.md?page=6)