# Is Trump an Asset of Russia (Or Some Other Foreign Power)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 7, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425 "2019-10-07T16:44:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/101 "2019-10-09T16:32:59Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Here’s a post of mine from the thread mentioned earlier that touched on Trump money laundering. I’m glad you posted this, in no small part because it reminded me of the New Republic, a great magazine that I had kind of forgotten about over the years. The article is very even-handed, and lays out the highly profitable ways Trump and family have benefited from Russian connections over the decades. It strikes me as all the evidence one might need to conclude that Trump kowtows to Putin the way he does because, unexpectedly finding himself president, and not wanting to upset the person who could most fuck up future Trump business deals, he wants to keep him happy until he returns to private life. Not to suggest that Trump isn’t acting out of blackmail due to illegal activity on Trump’s part, but this sort of thing seems more plausible to me. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/102 "2019-10-09T23:05:00Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > I’m glad you posted this, in no small part because it reminded me of the New Republic, a great magazine that I had kind of forgotten about over the years. > > The article is very even-handed, and lays out the highly profitable ways Trump and family have benefited from Russian connections over the decades. It strikes me as all the evidence one might need to conclude that Trump kowtows to Putin the way he does because, unexpectedly finding himself president, and not wanting to upset the person who could most fuck up future Trump business deals, he wants to keep him happy until he returns to private life. Not to suggest that Trump isn’t acting out of blackmail due to illegal activity on Trump’s part, but this sort of thing seems more plausible to me. Putin is a trained KGB agent. Donald has gone past the place where he is currying busines favors. He is not going back to private life. He is going to have to use his resources to try and stay out of jail. If he needs putins help to stay out of jail that is the definition of blackmail. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/103 "2019-10-10T17:46:37Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Putin is a trained KGB agent. Donald has gone past the place where he is currying busines favors. He is not going back to private life. He is going to have to use his resources to try and stay out of jail. If he needs putins help to stay out of jail that is the definition of blackmail. If as suspected and as of now most likely event that he doesn’t lose a trial in the Senate, hopefully he will be brought up on charges later. But I doubt even that will happen. Most likely if a Dem wins, he or she will pull a Gerald Ford and pardon him for the so-called “good of the country”. Assuming he is indicted, sure, if he needs Putin’s help that would suggest Putin having the “goods” on him. You can probably guess IMO I don’t think that will happen. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/104 "2019-10-10T21:47:03Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > If as suspected and as of now most likely event that he doesn’t lose a trial in the Senate, hopefully he will be brought up on charges later. But I doubt even that will happen. Most likely if a Dem wins, he or she will pull a Gerald Ford and pardon him for the so-called “good of the country”. Assuming he is indicted, sure, if he needs Putin’s help that would suggest Putin having the “goods” on him. You can probably guess IMO I don’t think that will happen. Pardoning trump for the good of the country will be a controversial move for sure. I don’t see the reason for it. He’s not Nixon and this isn’t 1975. Nixons problems were confined to certain subjects and were domestic. tirnps problems are just about worldwide and do not have any boundaries that we can discern at the moment. Also it is significant that trumps problems are not just affecting the american people whom such a pardon would be “good for” but other nations and foreign entities who have been betrayed, insulted or just confused about the US. Is pardoning him good for these people? Whether or not this is true the US must begin repairing these relationships as soon as possible. A pardon for the trumpster fire is not going to sound good in the global community. There is an example we have to set. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/105 "2019-10-10T22:14:51Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Pardoning trump for the good of the country will be a controversial move for sure. I don’t see the reason for it. He’s not Nixon and this isn’t 1975. Nixons problems were confined to certain subjects and were domestic. tirnps problems are just about worldwide and do not have any boundaries that we can discern at the moment. Also it is significant that trumps problems are not just affecting the american people whom such a pardon would be “good for” but other nations and foreign entities who have been betrayed, insulted or just confused about the US. Is pardoning him good for these people? Whether or not this is true the US must begin repairing these relationships as soon as possible. A pardon for the trumpster fire is not going to sound good in the global community. There is an example we have to set. I agree with all this. Our country and globe face enormous challenges, but I feel like we have no hope of acting without a functioning government, and we can’t have a functioning government until we prosecute every participant in the Trump Crime Empire. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/106 "2019-10-11T15:21:21Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Pardoning trump for the good of the country will be a controversial move for sure. I don’t see the reason for it. He’s not Nixon and this isn’t 1975. Nixons problems were confined to certain subjects and were domestic. tirnps problems are just about worldwide and do not have any boundaries that we can discern at the moment. Also it is significant that trumps problems are not just affecting the american people whom such a pardon would be “good for” but other nations and foreign entities who have been betrayed, insulted or just confused about the US. Is pardoning him good for these people? Whether or not this is true the US must begin repairing these relationships as soon as possible. A pardon for the trumpster fire is not going to sound good in the global community. There is an example we have to set. > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I agree with all this. Our country and globe face enormous challenges, but I feel like we have no hope of acting without a functioning government, and we can’t have a functioning government until we prosecute every participant in the Trump Crime Empire. And I agree with both of you. To be clear, in no way do I think it will be for “the good of the country” to just let Trump off the hook. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/107 "2019-10-12T09:13:48Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > According to some, the implication/assertion goes that Trump has done plenty of grievous things in his life and that evidence of these things has fallen into the hands of Vladimir Putin\*, and further that Putin is using these things to blackmail the president. In another [thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=882607) in Elections, it was suggested that I “do my own homework” after making an off-hand comment that “Trump isn’t being controlled by foreign powers, I don’t think”. The reason I did not go off and do that in depth was, I’ve been following politics fairly closely for decades, and certainly during the Trump years, and I haven’t seen anything that would make me think that Trump is most likely being blackmailed. I’ve have done Google searches, currently watch all the cable news shows, including FOX, and haven’t found anything particularly convincing there. _This is not to say that I discount the possiblity that Trump is in fact acting at the behest of Putin._ Certainly it’s possible, and I am open to the idea. > > In the other thread, someone made the rather ridiculuous assertion that I would need a video of Trump fellating Putin, or a personal letter from the Russian before I would be satisfied. I alluded to the possiblity that it will most likely be very difficult to find “high-quality” evidence of blackmail, some sort of direct connection, but this is not on me. One cannot reduce the standard of proof in this instance, just to make it easier to “prove” something. Since it will be difficult, it’s very likely this thread will die a quick death. But here goes: > > I would start off the debate with a few questions as suggestions only. Feel free to start wherever you like. > > 1. What “goods” does Putin have on Trump? > 2. What evidence is there that he has communicated to Trump blackmail demands, and what are they? > 3. What has Trump done that suggests he is being blackmailed, that is, something he would not have done unless that is in fact the case. > > \*Putin is the one I see usually being accused of being a potential blackmailer. Feel free to talk about others as you see fit. [I just watched this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-wNuKmBrY), and I think it’s very germane to the question in the sense of why there has been so much noise being made about Trump and Russia, short answer: deflection by projection. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/108 "2019-10-12T11:54:19Z")
Well, we all elected Trump suspecting he had hookers & blow on speed dial. That did not seem to upset people. Anyone involved in New York real estate is sort of corrupt as a given. Being corrupt makes a person liable to blackmail. Blackmailers are good at what they do, they practice. Their victims are unpracticed. **The idea that President is being blackmailed cannot be discounted.** In the long run, it will all come out one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/109 "2019-10-12T22:13:50Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > [I just watched this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-wNuKmBrY), and I think it’s very germane to the question in the sense of why there has been so much noise being made about Trump and Russia, short answer: deflection by projection. What is the original crime and how does the projection work to deflect it? ---
**Author:** ![Brayne\_Ded](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Brayne\_Ded](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brayne_Ded)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/110 "2019-10-13T19:10:05Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Reining in mouthy allies that are figuratively writing checks they expect the U.S. to cash _is_ beneficial to the U.S. These sort of mutual defense treaties with dramatically-weaker countries who are facing off against significant global powers almost always involve some degree of triangulation. We don’t want the insignificant country to feel so emboldened that they drag us into a nuclear exchange with China or Russia, but we also don’t want China or Russia feeling free to run roughshod over their weaker neighbors. It’s a bit of a balancing act, and has been for many decades before President Trump ever came on the scene. Things were not so heavy-handed before the present incumbent came on the scene. And while Dubya could say some real stoopid things, Trump, well trumps him. As for Russian action in the 2016 election, it’s quite possible, but should be seen in the context of attempts to manipulate the social media by other parties with a viewing to skewing the results. In other words,which of the manipulators achieived the greatest effect, and how much was nullified by the others? ---
**Author:** ![Brayne\_Ded](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Brayne\_Ded](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brayne_Ded)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/111 "2019-10-13T19:16:20Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > There is strong evidence that Trump laundered dirty Rubles via his Atlantic City casino. Oh yes? Gambling is a classical way of laundering money. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/112 "2019-10-14T12:57:23Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > [I just watched this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-wNuKmBrY), and I think it’s very germane to the question in the sense of why there has been so much noise being made about Trump and Russia, short answer: deflection by projection. Jimmy Dore is a conspiracy theorist and a whack job. He is also known to have spread pro-Assad conspiracy theories while taking money from a pro-Assad organization. Jimmy Dore is not a reliable source of information. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/113 "2019-10-14T17:11:32Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > [I just watched this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-wNuKmBrY), and I think it’s very germane to the question in the sense of why there has been so much noise being made about Trump and Russia, short answer: deflection by projection. AKA: The “no u” defense. Trump: “No, you the puppet! YOU THE PUPPET!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/114 "2019-10-15T04:29:20Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Jimmy Dore is a conspiracy theorist and a whack job. He is also known to have spread pro-Assad conspiracy theories while taking money from a pro-Assad organization. > > Jimmy Dore is not a reliable source of information. Your answer to someone who doesn’t believe Trump is an asset from a foreign power is to accuse the person saying that of being a foreign agent too. :smack: If people get past your gatekeeping efforts they’ll see he cites multiple sources. I will add, _“Trump is a Russian agent”_ is a conspiracy theory, saying _“there is no evidence to say Trump is a Russian agent”_ is not. In any case that video is less about Trump and more about the extensive, seemingly corrupt, dealings of Democrat politicians with Russia and Ukraine which have a striking resemblance with the accusations levied at Trump, hence why at the begging Dore points out that one of the tools of propaganda is to accuse your opponent of the same thing you are doing. I’d like to add that I never bother with this Elections section, since I’m not a US citizen, but I keep seeing, or rather not seeing, the elephant in the room when it relates to this whole “election meddling” discussions. There’s an entire side to the story missing from what I’ve seen in the SDMB and I think that’s a gross epistemic failure of the board. I would also add that, AFAIK, the intent of Russia was to weaken the US by inciting internal division and conflict, the “Trump is a Russian asset” meme has worked fantastically well in that regard. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/115 "2019-10-15T05:22:38Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > Your answer to someone who doesn’t believe Trump is an asset from a foreign power is to accuse the person saying that of being a foreign agent too. :smack: > > If people get past your gatekeeping efforts they’ll see he cites multiple sources. > I will add, _“Trump is a Russian agent”_ is a conspiracy theory, saying _“there is no evidence to say Trump is a Russian agent”_ is not. > > In any case that video is less about Trump and more about the extensive, seemingly corrupt, dealings of Democrat politicians with Russia and Ukraine which have a striking resemblance with the accusations levied at Trump, hence why at the begging Dore points out that one of the tools of propaganda is to accuse your opponent of the same thing you are doing. > > I’d like to add that I never bother with this Elections section, since I’m not a US citizen, but I keep seeing, or rather not seeing, the elephant in the room when it relates to this whole “election meddling” discussions. There’s an entire side to the story missing from what I’ve seen in the SDMB and I think that’s a gross epistemic failure of the board. > > **I would also add that, AFAIK, the intent of Russia was to weaken the US by inciting internal division and conflict, the “Trump is a Russian asset” meme has worked fantastically well in that regard.** The meme has worked well in regard to Putins attempts to weaken the US? So Putin is attempting to weaken the US? How is he doing it? By getting liberals to go off the deep end in protesting the president? Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to just exercise some control over one person, like maybe a certain king of debt who has trouble getting loans from ordinary banks? You actually think we need to stop curbing trump when he is admitting to dirt every day on TV and in writing? Are we down to devils advocate stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/116 "2019-10-15T12:42:19Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > Your answer to someone who doesn’t believe Trump is an asset from a foreign power is to accuse the person saying that of being a foreign agent too. :smack: [It’s a fact.](https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2019/09/30/pro-assad-lobby-group-rewards-bloggers-on-both-the-left-and-the-right/) > [@](#): > > Among those winners is Jimmy Dore, a comedian turned political commentator who was employed by The Young Turks, a progressive video outlet, until April 2019. According to an IRS filing, however, Dore actually began receiving money from the association behind the Serena Shim Award in 2017, receiving $2,500 for what the latter described as “human rights media.” > > That same year, Dore would argue that a chemical weapons attack on the opposition-held town of Khan Sheikhun was likely a “false flag,” the bodies of dead children having been planted, perhaps, by extremists (the United Nations has confirmed that the Syrian government, the only party to the conflict known to possess the Sarin and an air force, was responsible). He was literally promoting a pro-Assad conspiracy theory while getting money from a pro-Assad organization. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/117 "2019-10-15T14:02:14Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > I will add, _“Trump is a Russian agent”_ is a conspiracy theory, saying _“there is no evidence to say Trump is a Russian agent”_ is not. > > I would also add that, AFAIK, the intent of Russia was to weaken the US by inciting internal division and conflict, the “Trump is a Russian asset” meme has worked fantastically well in that regard. The Jimmy Dore clip is blocked here at work, so no comment on that until I see it. But as the starter of this thread let me say that the conspiracy theory is a good way of putting it. I hadn’t thought about characterizing it that way. CTs can be proven true, but this one hasn’t been, not by a long shot. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/118 "2019-10-15T16:31:00Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > The Jimmy Dore clip is blocked here at work, so no comment on that until I see it. But as the starter of this thread let me say that the conspiracy theory is a good way of putting it. I hadn’t thought about characterizing it that way. CTs can be proven true, but this one hasn’t been, not by a long shot. That is true. A conspiracy theory can’t be said to be false, or true, without some real world investigation. But the quote above, that you were responding to is circular, and incoherent. It literally says that there is a conspiracy by Putin to destabilize the US, but the problem is the US citizens who are pushing for investigation. Those US citizens are “destabilizing” the country because they are finding reasonable cause in this matter. You are pushing a moscow/gop line that is a little strange IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/119 "2019-10-15T17:21:21Z")
But it doesn’t literally say that. To elaborate: Conspiracy theory from Wiki: A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful actors, often political in motivation, when other explanations seem more probable. I had never read this particular definition, but this is what I think of when I say conspiracy theory. And as I’ve mentioned in this thread, I think there are more plausible reasons that Trump does what he does rather than having to have “sinister and powerful actors” in the mix. But I’m not ruling out the possibility, however slight it is as I see it. That’s all I said there. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425/120 "2019-10-15T18:06:11Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > But it doesn’t literally say that. To elaborate: > > Conspiracy theory from Wiki: A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful actors, often political in motivation, when other explanations seem more probable. > > I had never read this particular definition, but this is what I think of when I say conspiracy theory. And as I’ve mentioned in this thread, I think there are more plausible reasons that Trump does what he does rather than having to have “sinister and powerful actors” in the mix. But I’m not ruling out the possibility, however slight it is as I see it. That’s all I said there. “I would also add that, AFAIK, the intent of Russia was to weaken the US by inciting internal division and conflict” How does this lead, in your reasoning, to division in the US being attributed to leftists trying to investigate it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-an-asset-of-russia-or-some-other-foreign-power/841425.md?page=7)