# Is Trump confused? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 24, 2024, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589 "2024-01-24T13:53:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 126
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2534 "2024-10-11T22:04:53Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > Very quickly scrolling through these, for whatever reason I was reminded of the Steinbrenner character on Seinfeld. Is this rambling just a New York thing? I think it’s more of a pompous addled tyrant thing. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2535 "2024-10-11T22:54:08Z")
[Jim Wright on Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle/posts/pfbid0nZLr1vNhSPdE8ZgdDeRfotH3DWs8d2FwXLxCnEtG4eXS36Lu6FzRD8rj2pJyahrfl) posted his verbatim transcription of Trump addressing the Detroit Economic Club: > “Very big plant, uh, many countries they do that, and, uh, and then all of a sudden you hear that they’re leaving Milwaukee or wherever they may be, located, very sad to see it, and, it’s so simple, I mean, you know, this isn’t like Elon with his rocket ships that land within twelve inches on the moon where they wanted to land, or he gets the, engines back, that was the first I really, I said who the hell did that, I saw engines, about three four years ago, these things were coming, cylinders, no wings, no nothing, and they’re coming down very slowly, landing on a raft in the middle of the ocean someplace, with the, circle, boom, reminded me of, the Biden circles that he used to have, right, he’d have eight circles, and he couldn’t fill them up, but then I heard he BS with the popular vote, I don’t know, I don’t know, couldn’t fill up the eight circles, I always loved those circles, they were so beautiful, they were so beautiful to look at, in fact the person that did that, that was the best thing his, the level of that circle, was, great, but they couldn’t get people, so they used to have the Press, stand in for the circles, because they couldn’t get the people, then I heard we lost, oh, we lost, now we’re never going to let that happen again, but we’ve been, abused, by other countries, we’ve been abused by our own politicians really more than other countries.” > > That’s Trump, VERBATIM. > > I transcribed that myself and let me tell you it was goddamn painful. > > That was Trump talking to the Detroit Economic Club, AFTER he repeatedly trashed Detroit as essentially a 3rd World country. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2536 "2024-10-12T00:27:58Z")
EddyTeddyFreddy, I have to admit that your Trump quote, unlike some others in the thread, really does sound confused to me. My problem is with underestimating an often wily adversary. If Trump wins, will his confusion lead to him, say, forget [that he wants Mark Miley executed](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/trump-milley-execution-incitement-violence/675435/), or to his losing interest in finding a complete toady for Attorney General? And then, what, after a year or two an obviously dementia-ridden Trump will be replaced by J. D. Vance, who would at least be a less erratic commander in chief? Could be, but I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2537 "2024-10-12T00:44:36Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > EddyTeddyFreddy, I have to admit that your Trump quote, unlike some others in the thread, really does sound confused to me. Was your Detroit quote verbatim, or a cleaned-up version of what somebody thought he meant to say? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2538 "2024-10-12T01:02:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Was your Detroit quote verbatim, or a cleaned-up version of what somebody thought he meant to say? It was from one Andrew Egger at the Bulwark. Progressive? No, but that web site is uniformly anti-Trump. As for cleaning up ums and ahs, many transcribers do that. As someone who prefers reading to listening, I appreciate it. And I do not think it takes away important information. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2539 "2024-10-12T01:03:45Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > As for cleaning up ums and ahs, many transcribers do that. As someone who prefers reading to listening, I appreciate it. And I do not think it takes away important information. With Trump, the ums and ahs are very important. Cleaning up his speech creates a false impression of coherence. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2540 "2024-10-12T01:09:37Z")
You know what professional public speakers don’t do? Ums, ahs, etc. Unless they used to be a proficient public speaker but are now declining in their older years. Then you get a lot of ums, ahs, “you know what I mean”, etc. And that last one was about Biden. Cue up Dana Carvey’s SNL bits. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2541 "2024-10-12T01:28:12Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > And I wonder if Trump knows what “GTO” stands for. Get The ‘Other’? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2542 "2024-10-12T01:29:14Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > And I wonder if Trump knows what “GTO” stands for. I have to confess, I have trouble pronouncing the ‘O’. Serves me right for not being born Italian. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2543 "2024-10-12T01:29:43Z")
Has Trump ever driven anything other than a golf cart? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2544 "2024-10-12T01:36:18Z")
His name into the ground? ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2545 "2024-10-12T01:54:52Z")
And all his businesses. And he’s going for the United States. He got almost halfway there in his first term. 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2546 "2024-10-12T02:08:20Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “I will stop Chinese and other countries produced audiblebile and autonomous vehicles. Do you like autonomous? Does anybody like an autonomous vehicle? You know what that is right? When you see a car driving along.” iIt’s a good thing there aren’t any famous Trump supporters who are in favor of autonomous cars. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2547 "2024-10-12T02:16:20Z")
“My teleprompter people are doing a great job. Thank god I don’t use teleprompters. A sign fell on top of it.” > “We had the most successful country in the history of our in our history” > ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2548 "2024-10-12T02:21:13Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > I’ll also disagree that any occasion where he doesn’t shit his pants Do we know he _didn’t_? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2549 "2024-10-12T02:30:04Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Do we know he didn’t? > ---
**Author:** ![TheTooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheTooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTooth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2550 "2024-10-12T04:30:02Z")
“Delivers remarks” is a fun way to spin “defecates on stage”. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2551 "2024-10-12T05:13:20Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [Trump:] “We had the most successful country in the history of our in our history” The projection is strong: I happened to see a comment today on Facebook by a Trumper saying how the US was the most respected country in the world when Trump was president and how the world is laughing now at the US under Biden. The audience at the UN General Assembly literally laughed at Trump when he claimed in his speech there that his administration had accomplished more in two years than any other administration had in four years. [I don’t remember Trump’s exact words but it was something close to that] Trump’s not the only one that is confused. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2552 "2024-10-12T06:34:46Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > As for cleaning up ums and ahs, many transcribers do that. As someone who prefers reading to listening, I am fine with that. But not sane washing. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/2553 "2024-10-12T17:54:07Z")
A large part of editing out the “um” and such comes across as sane-washing, though. It eliminates moments where he’s trying to find a thought, and makes it seem more linear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589.md?page=125) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589.md?page=127)