# Is Trump confused?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Tags:** trump\
**Created:** [January 24, 2024, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589 "2024-01-24T13:53:03Z")\
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**Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1261 "2024-07-30T07:29:18Z")

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> [@wguy123](#):
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> Both versions seem to include a big and beautiful family with 400 children, no? Is Trump now a member of FLDS? I can’t see how a man will have 400 children without many, many, many, many wives.

For non-Protestants, “family” means _extended_ family. I’ve known extended families that between first, second, third and fourth cousins, count their children well into the third digit.

Who knows what Trump was saying - certainly not Trump - but there’s nothing strange about large families, for varying definitions of family.

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**Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1262 "2024-07-30T08:57:09Z")

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> [@wguy123](#):
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> Both versions seem to include a big and beautiful family with 400 children, no? Is Trump now a member of FLDS? I can’t see how a man will have 400 children without many, many, many, many wives.

What about Lucille? She left her husband with 400 children and a crop in the field.

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**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1263 "2024-07-30T11:36:28Z")

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> [@CairoCarol](#):
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> The truth is that the Acyn statement grossly distorted what Trump actually said.

I think you are alone in being able to read the longer context quote as any more comprehensible than the briefer one.

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**Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1264 "2024-07-30T12:03:30Z")

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Avowed Trump disdainer here, and one who really does hope he just starts having incoherent meltdowns in front of the world:

This all looks like pretty normal for Trump to me, going back a long ways. It’s certainly not convincing enough to make a senile/dementia argument.

Though I do enjoy pointing and laughing.

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**Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1265 "2024-07-30T12:13:08Z")

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> [@Smapti](#):
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> I don’t think he actually knows what Vance said or why people have a problem with it.

To me, it sounds like the usual rambling when he’s trying to make the question go away by getting to the point everyone wants to just move on for their own sanity’s sake.

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**Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1266 "2024-07-30T12:13:44Z")

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> [@DSeid](#):
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> > [@CairoCarol](#):
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> > The truth is that the Acyn statement grossly distorted what Trump actually said.
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> I think you are alone in being able to read the longer context quote as any more comprehensible than the briefer one.

No, she’s not alone. I didn’t think any of the full statements read like “dementia”. Colbert made a much better case for that towards the end of this clip (sorry, i don’t know how to point to a particular place.)

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/8zPor9l9SwI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Memeification Of Kamala Harris | Colbert Is Brat | Trump Struggles To Attack Harris") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zPor9l9SwI&t=345s)

And he doesn’t make a case for full out dementia, just “memory is going”.

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**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1267 "2024-07-30T12:48:34Z")

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> [@pulykamell](#):
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> > [@Smapti](#):
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> > “The debate should take place before the votes are cast”
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> The quote is “start being cast,” so it doesn’t sound unreasonable to me.

We just won’t run the advertising until the votes are counted.

Dan

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**Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1268 "2024-07-30T13:51:31Z")

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> [@OldOlds](#):
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> It’s certainly not convincing enough to make a senile/dementia

Oh I’m not claiming that either support of any specific medical diagnosis. Just that _neither_ make any coherent sense.

I also think that explicitly labeling his confusion and incoherence as senility would be a mistake.

Maybe it is worse than his baseline, just what is expected with normal aging. The official bit is just that he is, as Walz put it, weird (and not the good weird). Cognitively weak. No change need be claimed but the relatively unengaged may on their own conclude that, as they may have previously not realized how confused he usually is.

These are the images we want being seen and discussed, and it is shocking to me how already the positive of that bloodied face fist in air, against the flag moment has faded into a rolling eyes at his repeated “I took a bullet for democracy” crap.

He is a confused person. Senility and dementia need not apply. Seriously speaking medically though, as very intelligent people age they call on reserves to preserve function and consequently function at fairly high levels for a long time until they fairly suddenly don’t. Trump has little cognitive reserve to call on. I don’t claim that any of these moments are solid evidence of severe cognitive decline, but I suspect in aggregate that they are. Still that should be the quiet part …,

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**Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1269 "2024-07-30T19:07:00Z")

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I haven’t seen this video in this thread yet, forgive me if it was posted already and I missed it.

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/JrvlkiHmTos/maxresdefault.jpg "New Anti-Trump Group Releases TV Ad... And It's DIABOLICAL") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrvlkiHmTos)

Basically, there is a group called the Anti-Psychopath PAC, which was founded by George Conway (a lawyer and activist who argued and won the [Morrison v. National Australia Bank](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrison_v._National_Australia_Bank) case before SCOTUS in 2010). They have released a political ad that is solely about Trump’s cognitive decline. Much of it should be familiar to anyone who has been following this thread.

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**Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1270 "2024-07-31T03:47:28Z")

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Laura Ingraham: What was Melania’s reaction when she heard you’d been shot at?

Trump: She was watching, she was watching live, it was all over the place, it was on television, it was on your network, but it was all over the place and she was watching. And I asked her that, I mean I wasn’t there, I was on the ground, when the world started to, when you could talk to people and said, ‘So what was your feeling,’ and she was ah, she can’t really even talk about it. Which is OK, because that means she likes me or she loves me. Let’s say if she could talk about it freely, that would be, I’m not so sure which is better but ah, she either likes or loves me, that’s nice.

> **[‘Talk about weird’: Trump shares bizarre description of how Melania reacted...](https://www.rawstory.com/msn-uk/melania-shooting/)**
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> Donald Trump revealed his wife’s reaction to an attempt to kill him as he addressed a Pennsylvania rally earlier this month — and his description left onlookers bemused.The former president was speaking with Fox News’ Laura Ingraham Monday when the...

Ah, yes, “my wife can’t say how she feels about me getting shot but she either likes me or loves me”, a completely normal thing for a husband to say.

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**Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1271 "2024-07-31T23:29:01Z")

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> [@Atamasama](#):
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> the Anti-Psychopath PAC, which was founded by George Conway (a lawyer and activist…

(Also Kellyanne’s ex husband)

> **[Kellyanne Conway and George Conway are getting divorced | CNN Politics](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/04/politics/kellyanne-george-conway-divorce)**
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> Former Donald Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway and husband George Conway announced Saturday that they are “in the final stages of an amicable divorce.”

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**Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1272 "2024-07-31T23:29:20Z")

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> [@Moriarty](#):
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> (Also Kellyanne’s ex husband)

Thank you, I missed that fun fact. 🙂

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> <https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1818719491339305422>

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**Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1274 "2024-07-31T23:30:20Z")

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You’re the puppet!

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**Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1275 "2024-07-31T23:36:03Z")

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'The correct answers were “person, woman, man, camera, TV.”  
NOT chair, apple, river, green, clock!  
She got everyone of them WRONG!!!`

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What’s the next attempt? She’s an old fat out of touch white man?

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**Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1277 "2024-07-31T23:53:15Z")

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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> She’s an old fat out of touch white man?

“… who cheats at golf and whose wife, I mean husband, hates her.”

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**Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1278 "2024-08-01T00:49:50Z")

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“She’s got ridiculous orange skin, and her combover looks terrible, and a lot of people are saying her sons Eric and Kamala Junior are a disgrace.”

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**Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1279 "2024-08-01T01:14:28Z")

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“The whole nation’s congrate crime rate”

> <https://x.com/Acyn/status/1818797654039838869>

“two weeks ago, I was talking about Biden. I didn’t even know her name. Nobody did. Kamala. Hello beautiful. I didn’t even know her name”

> <https://x.com/Acyn/status/1818791927883714865>

“I told a lot of guys that I like and some guys that I don’t like, but very rich people. I just can’t do that. We’d like to take over the telephone system of the United States. I’m sorry, I can’t do that”

> <https://x.com/Acyn/status/1818787665581592633>

“He died shielding them from the beloveds”

> <https://x.com/Acyn/status/1818786297353584822>

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**Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1280 "2024-08-01T01:18:15Z")

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> Trump: I mean, two weeks ago, I was talking about Biden. I didn’t even know her name. Nobody did. Kamala. Hello beautiful. I didn’t even know her name. Kamala.

To be fair, from what I’ve heard you still don’t actually know her name.

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