# Is Trump confused? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 24, 2024, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589 "2024-01-24T13:53:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1354 "2024-08-05T18:50:48Z")
Super. Working on it now. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1355 "2024-08-06T10:24:47Z")
Maybe they’re all confused? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1356 "2024-08-07T12:52:20Z")
Touche! ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1357 "2024-08-07T15:05:29Z")
I’m surprised the recent Truth Social post where trump rants about Biden taking the nomination back and challenging him to another debate hasn’t been posted here. I’m linking a SDMB post referring to it from the ‘shadenfreude’ thread. There are other ways trump may be confused other than (or in addition to) incipient dementia. trump’s TS conspiracy theory post smacks of rampant paranoia: > [@A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/7397): > > The quote . . . or the insane blathering if one prefers, Trump took to his social media app Truth Social ahead of his opponent’s rally to unleash his conspiracy theory. “What are the chances that Crooked Joe Biden, the WORST President in the history of the U.S., whose Presidency was Unconstitutionally STOLEN from him by Kamabla, Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Shifty Adam Schiff, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, and others on the Lunatic Left, CRASHES the Democrat National Convention and tri… ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1358 "2024-08-07T15:15:28Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Touche! I think of them as “touched”. Dan ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1359 "2024-08-07T18:30:48Z")
> [@solost](#): > > There are other ways trump may be confused other than (or in addition to) incipient dementia. trump’s TS conspiracy theory post smacks of rampant paranoia: Many are calling Trump’s post “fan fiction.” As you say, rampant paranoia may be part of this. But it’s also surely indicative of Trump’s intense desire to have things back the way they were–with him facing a clearly age-debilitated candidate, instead of an energetic pair from the generation behind him. Don-OLD is running scared. And he’s also been _ **a lifelong believer that he can make what he wishes for happen.** _ (_The Power of Positive Thinking_–Trump’s literal Bible for decades.) He thinks that if he hopes for it enough, Harris and Walz will go away and he can face old Joe again. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1360 "2024-08-07T21:31:39Z")
Trump says he rescued Governor Walz from an angry mob. The article suggests he’s conflating Jan 6th and the George Floyd riots? > **[Trump Claims He Saved Tim Walz from an Angry Mob in First TV Comments Since...](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-claims-he-saved-tim-walz-from-an-angry-mob-in-first-tv-comments-since-harris-walz-ticket-announced/)** > > Donald Trump granted a phone interview to Fox & Friends to make his first public comments about Kamala Harris's choice of Tim Walz as her running mate. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1361 "2024-08-07T21:33:58Z")
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**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1362 "2024-08-07T21:37:21Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > The article suggests he’s conflating Jan 6th and the George Floyd riots? Well, Walz was, of course, no longer a congressman on 1/6/21, so wasn’t in DC on that date; reading the article, it reads a lot like something Trump made up out of whole cloth. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1363 "2024-08-07T21:39:11Z")
Trump was definitely talking about the Governor’s (Walz) mansion on Jan. 6. > **[Pro-Trump protesters gather outside Minnesota Capitol, Governor's mansion](https://www.fox9.com/news/pro-trump-protesters-gather-outside-minnesota-capitol-governors-mansion)** > > While chaos gripped the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., a pro-Trump Minnesota protest moved from the State Capitol to the Governor’s mansion in St. Paul. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1364 "2024-08-07T21:49:34Z")
I see. As the video in that article shows, the mansion was guarded by a large number of police officers, and it was not a particularly large group of protesters outside the mansion (maybe a hundred or so?). Both of these points seem to put the lie to Trump’s statements, as quoted in that article ( **emphasis mine** ): > [@](#): > > And he called me and he was very concerned, very, very concerned that it was going to get out of control. They **only had one guard** , I guess it was at the mansion or had his house in some form. > [@](#): > > It was **thousands of people**. I also have a very hard time believing that Walz called Trump directly, and asked him to call off his supporters, and “put out the word that I’m a good person.” Nothing in Trump’s story rings true. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1365 "2024-08-07T21:54:58Z")
I’m surprised he doesn’t have Walz calling him “sir”. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1366 "2024-08-07T21:55:17Z")
…with tears in his eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1367 "2024-08-07T22:00:00Z")
I think Walz should publicly thank Trump for not letting his supporters kill him. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1368 "2024-08-07T22:20:32Z")
More on the Trump/Walz story, from the _Washington Post_ (gift link below); it seems to support the “bullshit Trump story” hypothesis: > [@](#): > > Two of its reporters interviewed Walz in 2021 as part of a book project, [releasing](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/08/07/tim-walz-interview-trump-00172927) more of the interview following his selection to join Vice President Kamala Harris’s campaign. What Walz described then was not that he sought Trump’s assistance with protesters during the unrest that followed Floyd’s killing but, instead, that Trump had encouraged hostile protesters at two other points in that time period. > > The first was in April 2020, after Trump had briefly endorsed an effort to curtail the spread of the [coronavirus](https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_19) by limiting person-to-person contact. He quickly backtracked from that endorsement, pivoting to criticisms of state leaders who weren’t quickly lifting those restrictions. > > The morning of April 17, Trump posted “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” on Twitter. At about the same time, a [planned protest](https://www.sctimes.com/story/news/2020/04/17/liberate-minnesota-stay-at-home-order-coronavirus-protest/5154645002/) at the governor’s mansion got underway. > > Walz told Politico’s Alexander Burns and Jonathan Martin that the post “brought armed people to my house,” including members of the Proud Boys, a far-right group with a history of violence. Given the timeline, it’s not clear if the post drew armed protesters or if it simply encouraged them. Some of those involved [offered](https://twitter.com/ScottNin/status/1251232909828251648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1251232909828251648%7Ctwgr%5E418aa1d362e2861e44fed0c8569989bdeb983435%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sctimes.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2020%2F04%2F17%2Fliberate-minnesota-stay-at-home-order-coronavirus-protest%2F5154645002%2F) their appreciation to Trump for his support. > > At some point, Walz, who the day before had been [part of a joint announcement](https://www.sctimes.com/story/news/local/2020/04/16/minnesota-joins-7-state-pact-reopen-economy/5147159002/) about scaling back restrictions, reached out to Trump. > > “I called the White House, and left a message and I asked, kindly if not the president, someone could call,” Walz said. “And he tweeted two words: ‘Liberate Minnesota.’” At another point in the interview, Walz suggested that the call came after the social media post, that he called to ask for clarification about it. > > “I said ‘What does “Liberate Minnesota” mean?,’” Walz said. “‘What do you want me to do differently? What do you think that I’m doing or not doing?’” > > He says he didn’t get an answer. > > There was another point at which Trump supporters surrounded the governor’s mansion: the day of the riot in Washington. > > “On Jan. 6, when the Capitol riot happened we had that too, and there were, of course, legislators as well as some of these elements that believe the election was stolen, marched on the residence, and that’s the one where it got way out of hand,” Walz said. “The state patrol had to evacuate my 14-year-old, find the dog, take him to an off-site location.” > > If Walz requested that Trump call off his supporters on that day, he didn’t mention it. Trump did not make a request that his supporters in Minnesota stand down; he was slow to even call for his supporters on Capitol Hill to do so. [https://wapo.st/3Wwv3ps](https://wapo.st/3Wwv3ps) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1369 "2024-08-08T21:45:43Z")
“I actually had a positive inflation” > “My base is 75% of the country” > “If you look at Martin Luther King when he had his speech, we [January 6 2021] had more people” > Reporter: “How will you vote on Florida’s abortion referendum?” Trump: “I will announce that. I’m going to have a press conference on that” (Note: he was GIVING a press conference when he said this) > “In history, in any country, noone has had crowds like I have” > “White males way up. White males have gone through the roof. White males way up.” > Reporter: “Would you ban mifeprestone?” Trump: “You could do things that would supplement. Absolutely. And those things are pretty open and humane” > ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1370 "2024-08-08T22:09:17Z")
I don’t know about confused, but he sure is looking older by the day. Senile even. It’s alright: never interrupt your enemy when they are digging [their own grave](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00002elgolfo.html). ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1371 "2024-08-08T22:40:20Z")
Hope it’s not a hijack (or at least not an impermissible one) but why is Fox saying “Harris dodges?” > [@Smapti](#): > > “In history, in any country, noone has had crowds like I have” [![](https://media.gettyimages.com/id/804460712/photo/stormtroopers-lined-up-on-parade-during-a-nazi-party-congress-in-nuremberg-germany-1936.jpg?s=2048x2048&w=gi&k=20&c=UL2RBq_MAoAaRg5-gOzDzu2v-45cBeZvMYfzk9bJ5kg=) ](https://media.gettyimages.com/id/804460712/photo/stormtroopers-lined-up-on-parade-during-a-nazi-party-congress-in-nuremberg-germany-1936.jpg?s=2048x2048&w=gi&k=20&c=UL2RBq_MAoAaRg5-gOzDzu2v-45cBeZvMYfzk9bJ5kg=) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1372 "2024-08-08T22:42:24Z")
That’s a picture from his inauguration, right? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-confused/996589/1373 "2024-08-08T22:48:08Z")
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