# Is Trump giving up? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 13, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638 "2024-08-13T04:05:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/61 "2024-08-13T23:56:42Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > What he knows about Venezuela is there’s _de facto_ no extradition and a fellow authoritarian rules the place. And one dollar buys an awful lot more [whatever] down there than it does up here. He’d have a private island, plenty of servants, and plenty good security even if the USSS wasn’t permitted to enter the country. > > He’ll be fine there. Senile, stupid, and psychotic. But fine. I imagine gold-plated toilets would be hard to come by. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/62 "2024-08-14T00:02:26Z")
There’s a bunch of issues with that. The first being that there’s no such thing as a “fellow authoritarian”; Maduro is on Maduro’s side, not Trump’s side. If he decided it was more politically or financially profitable to hand Trump over to the US, have him killed or toss Trump in a jail cell, he’d do it without blinking. But narcissists like Trump often can’t really grasp that other people might care as little about them as they care about everyone else. Second, a dollar doesn’t actually go farther there for the simple reason there’s a lot less to buy, and Maduro & his cronies already control what little is available. Nor is anything short of a literal army enough for security there, and Maduro isn’t going to lend his. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/63 "2024-08-14T00:07:38Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Second, a dollar doesn’t actually go farther there… Which also supposes Trump is an actual billionaire and not a billionaire on paper only. I assume if he fled justice the US would lock down his accounts as well. Would he have access to the cash needed to pay off enough people in Venezuela (or anywhere) to protect him? More to the point though (for the OP) is this seems to be in his mind. He’s thinking about it so is seriously considering options to get away if he loses in November. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/64 "2024-08-14T00:23:54Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > A while back while googling something Venezuela-related I happened upon the [US government’s travel advisory](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/venezuela-travel-advisory.html) for Venezuela, and couldn’t help but note that drafting a will was one of the recommended actions if you _insist_ on going there. Also I see there’s a section where it tells you how to prepare to be taken hostage. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/65 "2024-08-14T00:28:55Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > Also I see there’s a section where it tells you how to prepare to be taken hostage. IIRC the State Department also takes the position that if you go there, they will not work to save you. They warned you and, beyond a strongly worded letter from the US to Venezuela, the US will not help you. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/66 "2024-08-14T00:34:57Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > After the shooting and recent drop in the polls I see a little tiredness in Trump. Is he planning an exit? As an option of course. Tiredness? But Trump has the busiest schedule, up at all hours, campaigning all the time. Need been busy campaigning for others. He’s always high energy, not like Sleepy Joe. (/Vance) > [@Sandwich](#): > > Link is paywalled. I didn’t know the answer to the obvious question, so for the benefit of any others in the same position… > According to wikipedia, Kamala Harris’s father is Donald Harris. So, while I knew the other Donald’s claim must be stupid, I did not know that it was as completely stupid as it possibly could be. Trump always talks in word salad, so it’s not clear, but to me it sounds like he’s trying to say she’s not very well known, people don’t remember her name well. “What is her last name? Kamala Harding? Harness? Herring?” But maybe I’m giving him too much credit. Maybe he’s suggesting because he first name is Kamala, her last name must be something “foreign”, like Barrack _Hussein_ Obama. It couldn’t be the common “Harris”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/67 "2024-08-14T00:37:00Z")
He’ll be dead there. Authoritarians dislike competition, and Trump just can not STFU. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/68 "2024-08-14T00:39:38Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > But maybe I’m giving him too much credit. Maybe he’s suggesting because he first name is Kamala, her last name must be something “foreign”, like Barrack _Hussein_ Obama. It couldn’t be the common “Harris”. Like this maybe? 😁 > [@LSLGuy](#): > > What he’s saying is > > > With a first name like Kamala, she’s gotta be a furriner with furrin parents with weird furrin names, amiright? Harris must be a 'Murrican name they picked out as camouflage. So of course she’s not gonna be a good President; she’s a furriner." > > IOW, it’s a direct dog-whistle calling out to racism and xenophobia. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/69 "2024-08-14T00:42:39Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Maybe he’s suggesting because he first name is Kamala, her last name must be something “foreign”… Trump seems to like “Kamabla”: > **[Truth Social](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112913191014010550)** > > Truth Social is America's "Big Tent" social media platform that encourages an open, free, and honest global conversation without discriminating on the basis of political ideology. The link above shows you this: [![](https://i.imgur.com/TrPqUYI.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/TrPqUYI.png) I think I saw him also try “Kamabala” somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/70 "2024-08-14T00:58:06Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Trump always talks in word salad, so it’s not clear, but to me it sounds like he’s trying to say she’s not very well known, people don’t remember her name well. “What is her last name? Kamala Harding? Harness? Herring?” She does seem to be known by her first name. It’s more recognizable, emphasizes her gender, and there’s been discussion on how to correctly pronounce it. Perhaps she should play to that up as a strength; get people to start calling the The Kamala. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/71 "2024-08-14T00:58:32Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > What he knows about Venezuela is there’s _de facto_ no extradition and a fellow authoritarian rules the place. IIRC they took away his passport for the bail hearing on the hush money case. Also, as I mentioned before- Nazis flee to Argentina, not Venezuela. Geez. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/72 "2024-08-14T01:03:16Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > ioned before- Nazis flee to Argentina, not Venezuela. Geez. Now we have to worry about the cloning of a new generation of Trumps? 😱 ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/73 "2024-08-14T01:07:08Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Now we have to worry about the cloning of a new generation of Trumps? 😱 Someone should really make that movie. ETA: _The Boys From Venezuela: The Rise of Barron_ ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/74 "2024-08-14T01:12:22Z")
It’ll just be _Downfall_ all over again. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/75 "2024-08-14T01:16:52Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Now we have to worry about the cloning of a new generation of Trumps? 😱 Now I have ‘Nancy? Nancy! Ahahahahahaha!’ in my brain. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/76 "2024-08-14T01:16:56Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > IIRC they took away his passport for the bail hearing on the hush money case. > > Also, as I mentioned before- Nazis flee to Argentina, not Venezuela. Geez. I doubt the lack of a passport would matter in his case in the slightest. If he’s going there, whether now or 4 years from now or whenever, it’s at the pleasure of their _Jefe_. And he’s not much worried about coming back to the USA since he won’t be doing that. Much as the Shah of Iran lived out his years in Panama on a private island. The laws that apply to us ordinary schlubs don’t apply to the folks important enough to be noticed personally by the heads of state of various countries. As to Argentina: That is soooo last century. You gotta keep up there, **Deth**! _This_ century it’s Venezuela. At least until 2030 then it’s all change again and who knows who’s next as the Nazi hideout of choice. As long as it’s not “The Territory Formerly Known as the United States of America” I’m happy with whoever it might be. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/77 "2024-08-14T01:37:53Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Trump has hinted he might flee to Venezuela if he loses the election. He also said it was a country where crime had radically decreased due to the kind of repressive government he likes. He really meant El Salvador. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/78 "2024-08-14T01:39:43Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I doubt the lack of a passport would matter in his case in the slightest. How do you leave the USA without one? Unless he drives over the border into Mexico first… > [@LSLGuy](#): > > That is soooo last century. You gotta keep up there, **Deth**! _This_ century it’s Venezuela. (Johnny Carson Voice) _“I did not know that”_. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/79 "2024-08-14T01:41:29Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > How do you leave the USA without one? Can’t he walk on his private plane in Miami with a flight plan to Atlanta and then just change direction and go to Venezuela? When he lands, his passport is a cash payoff to local officials. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/80 "2024-08-14T01:47:08Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Much as the Shah of Iran lived out his years in Panama on a private island. The laws that apply to us ordinary schlubs don’t apply to the folks important enough to be noticed personally by the heads of state of various countries. That’s not how it works anymore. In fact, I’ve seen that given as the reason why so many dictators hold on the the bitter end these days; they expect that giving up power would get them killed, not a cushy retirement. Even more important, Maduro has no _reason_ to shield Trump. Trump’s not a crony of his, and would have nothing to offer him beyond his value as something to hand over to the US in return for concessions, or imprison/kill for political benefit - the opposite of what Trump would want. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638.md?page=5)