# Is Trump giving up? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 13, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638 "2024-08-13T04:05:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/81 "2024-08-14T01:49:52Z")
Trump’s not moving to Venezuela. He heard some Democrat somewhere say “If Trump wins I’m moving to (wherever)” and thought it was a clever line, and said the name of the first country that popped into his head, which was Venezuela because he uses them all the time as one of his rally talking points. Scrutinizing the logistics of it is about as productive as trying to figure out why he thinks dressing like that and styling his hair like that makes him look good. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/82 "2024-08-14T01:52:21Z")
Maduro has no love for Trump but him (or any such authoritarian) who is being screwed by the US may be happy to shelter Trump as a public “fuck you” to the US. Kinda like why Putin decided to shelter Edward Snowden. Putin doesn’t give two-shits about Snowden. But Putin likes the big finger it sends to the US. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/83 "2024-08-14T01:54:53Z")
Or imprison/kill him, because that’s an even _better_ way of saying “fuck you” to the US. How many dictators can say they have an ex US President in a jail cell? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/84 "2024-08-14T01:58:49Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > How many dictators can say they have an ex US President in a jail cell? We can certainly hope the number is “1” and starting real soon. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/85 "2024-08-14T02:06:41Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > IIRC they took away his passport for the bail hearing on the hush money case. Friend with private plane lies to authorities. That simple. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/86 "2024-08-14T02:07:41Z")
Kim will let him in. Trump has just gotta write a letter. They are pen pals, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/87 "2024-08-14T02:10:46Z")
I couldn’t begin to name all the world leaders that would love to get their hands on Trump and his secrets and/or money. “Sure thing, My Dearest Friend! just make your way here and I’ll take care of _everything!_” ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/88 "2024-08-14T02:13:46Z")
In N.Korea Trump’s need for BigMacs could upset the whole economy. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/89 "2024-08-14T02:18:45Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Maduro has no love for Trump but him (or any such authoritarian) who is being screwed by the US may be happy to shelter Trump as a public “fuck you” to the US. I doubt it. Madero is left wing, Trump rightwing. The nearby strongman Trump was thinking of was Nayib Bukele of El Salvador. Trump has repeatedly mixed up Venezuela and El Salvador. At a rally, it doesn’t matter, because his audience is taking him seriously, not literally. Musk must have noticed, but did not challenge Trump on anything, because Elon’s idea is to flatter the next POTUS to get government support for Tesla and SpaceX in return. Musk endorsed Trump a week before Biden dropped out. Bad timing. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/90 "2024-08-14T02:21:32Z")
Or take him hostage. “If you do not pay our ransom, we send Trump back to the US!” ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/91 "2024-08-14T04:36:12Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “If you do not pay our ransom, we send Trump back to the US!” You win the thread!! 🙂🙂🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/92 "2024-08-14T05:03:39Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I doubt it. Madero is left wing, Trump rightwing. I do not buy this distinction. Maduro is an authoritarian. He may call himself left or right but that is meaningless. He’s a dictator. North Korea is the DPRK (Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea). Does that make you think they are democratic? There is nothing leftist or liberal about Maduro no matter how much he proclaims otherwise. Authoritarians are their own thing even if they differ in some details. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/93 "2024-08-14T05:07:22Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > And while I agree that Trump is ultimately out for himself, I think it’s silly to believe that he would just up and walk away from the political machine he has been heading for ten years. I’m sure he feels pressure to deliver, and somewhere in his mess of shitty notions of the world, he probably feels responsible for “saving the country” for his followers. He won’t just up and walk away from the greatest source of personal power and glorification he’s ever had, and the one thing he has left. I don’t believe he feels pressure to deliver for others. That takes either concern for others’ welfare or someone having power over him is he fails. The latter just means he has someone else to hold a grudge against. And the Republican Party has given up any pretext of holding Trump accountable for anything. He might float lip service to saving the country for his followers, but it’s all manipulation games. Trump wants to save the country for himself. Anyone else who benefits is just lucky. > [@Gatopescado](#): > > But what I wonder, is when do we start to see the Exodus from his campaign people? I think the writing is going up on the walls already, and they are going to see the defeat coming. Or maybe they won’t be getting paid soon. That’s very likely even with Musk’s influx of cash. The Trump campaign has cut in person rallies to save money and limit his opportunities to rant about electric sharks or whatever his trigger of the moment. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > a flood of challenges to specific voters in the jurisdictions where conveniently obstructive laws have recently been passed by compliant legislatures This is occurring in my county. The news covered this. Last time there were a handful of challenges in total. This cycle some handful of people have been pumping dozens of challenges a day into the system. Most are nonsense and get cleared up, but the sheer volume is stretching resources hard. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > Like this maybe? Yeah, I didn’t read your comment until after I’d posted. > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Musk must have noticed, but did not challenge Trump on anything, because Elon’s idea is to flatter the next POTUS to get government support for Tesla and SpaceX in return. Musk has shown he will feed a personal agenda at great cost. He has taken over twitter and destroyed it. It might still be carrying on as a platform through user inertia, but largest gains are through returning the posters booted for bad behavior. Like Trump. Musk didn’t pick Trump neutrally. Trump’s government will be far more amenable to Musk than a Harris one. If the Dems retake the House and Senate, they will go after social media platforms in earnest. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/94 "2024-08-14T05:20:47Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > …rant about electric sharks or whatever… _Shark Attack 2: Electric Boogaloo!_ That is never not funny 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/95 "2024-08-14T05:45:00Z")
Maduro is a dictator who is a crony-capitalist in practice, but who uses socialism and anti-foreigner (not just the US) rhetoric as a political cover. He doesn’t appear to have any real ideology or goals beyond staying in power for as long as possible. He just has no _incentive_ to shield Trump rather than sacrifice him towards that goal in one fashion or another. Honestly I suspect he’d toss Trump into jail, allowing him to both flex over having a former US President imprisoned while defying any demands for the US to extradite Trump. With good odds of bolstering his image and support while banking that a Harris Administration isn’t going to push all that hard to get Trump back. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/96 "2024-08-14T06:03:28Z")
Cheato in a Venezuelan prison. Almost as good as Van Der Slut in a Peruvian one. Not nice places. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/97 "2024-08-14T06:51:30Z")
Quick, someone hide bullets in his luggage. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/98 "2024-08-14T06:56:51Z")
Is there anywhere in the world that would take Trump and protect him from the US? I was going to say Saudi Arabia but no…I do not think they would. Maybe Russia. Maybe North Korea. ETA: Maybe China? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/99 "2024-08-14T07:08:07Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Maybe North Korea. North Korea absolutely loves Americans who choose to live there: > **[James Joseph Dresnok](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Joseph_Dresnok)** > > James Joseph Dresnok (Korean: 제임스 조새프 드레스녹, November 24, 1941 – November 2016) was an American defector to North Korea, one of seven U.S. soldiers to defect after the Korean War. > After defecting, Dresnok worked as an actor in propaganda films, some directed by Kim Jong Il, and as an English teacher in Pyongyang. He was featured on the CBS magazine program 60 Minutes on January 28, 2007, as the last U.S. defector alive in North Korea. He was also the subject of a documentary film, Crossing the ... Well, maybe not so much: > **[Charles Robert Jenkins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Robert_Jenkins)** > > Charles Robert Jenkins ((1940-02-18)18 February 1940 – (2017-12-11)11 December 2017) was a United States Army deserter, North Korean prisoner, and voice for Japanese abductees in North Korea. > Driven by fear of combat and possible service in the Vietnam War, then-Sergeant Jenkins abandoned his patrol and walked across the Korean Demilitarized Zone in January 1965. Instead of being sent to the Soviet Union and then traded back to the US, Jenkins was held captive in North Korea for over 39 yea... ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638/100 "2024-08-14T08:50:04Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Much as the Shah of Iran lived out his years in Panama on a private island. The laws that apply to us ordinary schlubs don’t apply to the folks important enough to be noticed personally by the heads of state of various countries. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#Exile): > _He left the United States on 15 December 1979 and lived for a short time in the [Isla Contadora](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Contadora) in Panama. This caused riots by Panamanians who objected to the Shah being in their country. General [Omar Torrijos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Torrijos), the dictator of Panama, kept Mohammad Reza Shah as a virtual prisoner at the Paitilla Medical Center, a hospital condemned by the former Shah’s U.S. doctors as “an inadequate and poorly staffed hospital”, and in order to hasten his death allowed only Panamanian doctors to treat his cancer.[[314]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#cite_note-316) General Torrijos, a populist left-winger, had only taken in Mohammad Reza under heavy U.S. pressure, and he made no secret of his dislike of Mohammad Reza, whom he called after meeting him “the saddest man he had ever met”.[[315]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#cite_note-Milani,_Abbas,_p._427-317) When he first met Mohammad Reza, Torrijos taunted him by telling him “it must be hard to fall off the Peacock Throne into Contadora” and called him a “chupon”, a Spanish term meaning an sucker or pacifier that has all the juice squeezed out of it, which is slang for someone who is finished.[[315]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#cite_note-Milani,_Abbas,_p._427-317)_ > > _Torrijos added to Mohammad Reza’s misery by making his chief bodyguard a militantly Marxist sociology professor who spent much time lecturing Mohammad Reza on how he deserved his fate because he had been a tool of the “American imperialism” that was ostensibly oppressing the Third World, and charged Mohammad Reza a monthly rent of US$21,000, making him pay for all his food and the wages of the 200 National Guardsmen assigned as his bodyguards_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trump-giving-up/1005638.md?page=6)