# Is Trump's pettiness over Megyn Kelly going to hurt him \[plus Ramos incident\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 25, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891 "2015-08-25T21:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/201 "2015-08-28T19:18:37Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Let’s go back to my question: > > My point being that demonstrating that someone who claims to be a reporter is a political activist _doesn’t prove he’s not a reporter._ (post shortened) A reporter should “report” the news. That includes all of the facts. Let the viewer/listener/reader decide the issues for themselves. A political activist only babbles on about what is good about their side of an issue, and what is bad about the other side of an issue. A political activist can not be trusted to be a reporter. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/202 "2015-08-28T19:21:27Z")
> [@camille](#): > > It’s not even a horse. They’re frantically shoveling horse_shit_, in the hope of finding a horse underneath it. > > Magical thinking. How dare someone post something without first getting your approval. Don’t they know who you are? Don’t they care? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/203 "2015-08-28T19:30:03Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > "It would be difficult to overstate Ramos’s immigration radicalism. When Central American children were pouring over the border last summer, Ramos announced as a solution, “First, we treat children like children, as if they were our own.” The National Review opinion guy does not know what he is talking about, but sure they know how to be inhuman, but even a Wall Street Journalist had to agree that calling that a border crisis instead of what it was: a humanitarian crisis is what demonstrates the kind of people some Republicans are. > **[New Efforts To Address The Child Migrant Crisis](https://dianerehm.org/shows/2014-07-28/new-efforts-address-child-migrant-crisis)** > > An update on efforts to address the child migrant crisis, from competing plans from the Senate Democrats and House Republicans to the latest proposals from the White House. > [@](#): > > MEACHAM: I would also talk about the fact that as far as attitudes having to do with the acceptance of these kids, you know, the UN recommended that the U.S. government treat this as a refugee crisis. And we’ve had a past of giving asylum to folks that are coming to the U.S. for different reasons. Of course what’s happening in Central America is different than let’s say what’s happening in the Middle East. But these kids are coming here because they’re escaping violence. That’s an issue that needs to be understood and needs to be dealt with. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/204 "2015-08-28T19:33:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by doorhinge View Post > "It would be difficult to overstate Ramos’s immigration radicalism. When Central American children were pouring over the border last summer, Ramos announced as a solution, “First, we treat children like children, as if they were our own.” Then color me radical too. And Jesus, while you’re at it. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/205 "2015-08-28T19:35:25Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > “National Review” is definitely not “made up of journalists”. It seems the National Review may not subscribe to your idea that journalists aren’t supposed to be perfectly unbiased. > **[There Is No Such Thing as Unbiased Journalism, So Let’s Stop Pretending |...](https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/05/there-no-such-thing-unbiased-journalism-so-lets-stop-pretending-david-harsanyi/)** > > If you’re an intellectually curious person — and if you’re a journalist, let’s assume that you are — you are likely to have embraced a number of notions about how the world works, how it should wor… Not to mention that Buckley set up a scholarship specifically to groom “conservative journalists.” [http://nrinstitute.org/programs/william-f-buckley-fellow-in-political-journalism](http://nrinstitute.org/programs/william-f-buckley-fellow-in-political-journalism) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/206 "2015-08-28T19:35:53Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > A reporter should “report” the news. That includes all of the facts. Let the viewer/listener/reader decide the issues for themselves. > > A political activist only babbles on about what is good about their side of an issue, and what is bad about the other side of an issue. > > A political activist can not be trusted to be a reporter. Of tangential relevance: what’s your opinion of Fox News? ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/207 "2015-08-28T19:49:45Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > A reporter should “report” the news. That includes all of the facts. Let the viewer/listener/reader decide the issues for themselves. > > A political activist only babbles on about what is good about their side of an issue, and what is bad about the other side of an issue. > > A political activist can not be trusted to be a reporter. So true. How I long for the old days, like in the run up to the Iraq invasion, when real reporters knew their place, and deserved our trust. > [@doorhinge](#): > > How dare someone post something without first getting your approval. Don’t they know who you are? Don’t they care? Who says I don’t approve? By all means, keep shoveling. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/208 "2015-08-28T19:52:19Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The National Review opinion guy does not know what he is talking about, but sure they know how to be inhuman, but even a Wall Street Journalist had to agree that calling that a border crisis instead of what it was: a humanitarian crisis is what demonstrates the kind of people some Republicans are. Which doesn’t change the fact that Ramos is a political activist. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/209 "2015-08-28T20:08:30Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Of tangential relevance: what’s your opinion of Fox News? Megyn Kelly has acted in a very professional manner. The GOP debate was handled well. I liked the idea that the top 10 candidates met on one stage AND that the other candidates were allowed to meet earlier. That seems to be so fair and balanced. Did you hear anything about CNN not allowing the current top polling candidates to meet for the CNN GOP debate? In spite of the fact that Carly Fiorina is currently near the top of the field, CNN continues it’s war on women candidates who are not named Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/210 "2015-08-28T20:12:34Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Which doesn’t change the fact that Ramos is a political activist. As pointed before you do not know when to stop digging. If you look at my post history you would know that I do not trust much in the mainstream media, specially when they have an interest on increasing controversy to get more money in political advertisements. But as others pointed out your point here is a really dumb one, Ramos is very close to what Bill O’Reilly is for FOX, in fact I do not remember any issue were he sounded before as liberal as the immigration issue is for him, as I noted before Univision’s talking points in their talking head shows for many years have been reactionary and conservative and is still AFAIK controlled by Cuban Americans, not liberal at all indeed. Immigration however has been an issue where even the conservatives can see the injustice on what Republicans did to immigration reform, the dreamers and the humanitarian crisis with the kids in the border. Trump and the very extreme conservatives has made them realize that there are subjects that they will not agree with the tea party Republicans. If Trump gets to be the Republican nominee expect all Hispanic media to support whoever Democrat is nominated. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/211 "2015-08-28T20:47:53Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > As pointed before you do not know when to stop digging. > But as others pointed out your point here is a really dumb one, Ramos is very close to what Bill O’Reilly is for FOX, in fact I do not remember any issue were he sounded before as liberal as the immigration issue is for him, as I noted before Univision’s talking points in their talking head shows for many years have been reactionary and conservative and is still AFAIK controlled by Cuban Americans, not liberal at all indeed. (post shortened) Dig what? Like I dig you, duuude? I guess it’s official. **GIGObuster** says Ramos is a Bill O’Reilly. Is that the reason you like Ramos? Or do you like Ramos? Would you mind rephrasing the underlined run-on sentence. Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/212 "2015-08-28T21:18:23Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Not to mention that Buckley set up a scholarship specifically to groom “conservative journalists.” There is a difference between a journalist who has some political views (everyone does) and a political activist. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/213 "2015-08-28T21:30:08Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > There is a difference between a journalist who has some political views (everyone does) and a political activist. So you assert that there are no real journalists working at Fox News? Actually, that’s quite true. The difference is that the Fox News ones like to lie about the news or just plain make things up. Don’t know if Ramos has ever done that, and I seriously doubt he could do it nearly as well. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/214 "2015-08-28T22:00:19Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Dig what? Like I dig you, duuude? > > I guess it’s official. **GIGObuster** says Ramos is a Bill O’Reilly. Is that the reason you like Ramos? Or do you like Ramos? Why thank you for showing all that you do not pay attention, well at least you to to grammar issues. I already said that Ramos was out of line and in other threads in the past I made clear that O’Reilly is nuts. Ramos is only rude. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/215 "2015-08-28T22:14:58Z")
Gaudere is a harsh mistress. I meant to say: Why thank you for showing all that you do not pay attention, well at least you **do** to grammar issues. I already said that Ramos was out of line and in other threads in the past I made clear that O’Reilly is nuts. Ramos is only rude and I will have to add that he is more of a centrist, although I do remember not wanting to watch him because in more than a few reports I noticed that the reactionary side got a better treatment from him. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/216 "2015-08-28T22:55:56Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > There is a difference between a journalist who has some political views (everyone does) and a political activist. So the Buckley scholarship is to train journalists to STFU about their conservative views so they don’t influence their reporting? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/217 "2015-08-28T23:00:03Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > So the Buckley scholarship is to train journalists to STFU about their conservative views so they don’t influence their reporting? Their conservative views definitely should not influence their reporting. It is good to have some objective reporters out there to counteract some that allow their blatantly liberal politics color their reporting. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/218 "2015-08-28T23:16:28Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Their conservative views definitely should not influence their reporting. It is good to have some objective reporters out there to counteract some that allow their blatantly liberal politics color their reporting. So reporting that anti vaccination people are grossly wrong is a liberal issue? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/219 "2015-08-29T00:17:23Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > So reporting that anti vaccination people are grossly wrong is a liberal issue? Absolutely a liberal issue! Practically all media is staunchly liberal, dontcha know? I’ve read that some of these elitist liberal media have also been extremely biased in favor of science on subjects like climate change and evolution! Unbelievable but true. Trump-Palin 2016! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/220 "2015-08-29T00:17:27Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > So reporting that anti vaccination people are grossly wrong is a liberal issue? Non-sequitur. But here is a piece of data: [The average anti-vaxxer is probably not who you think she is](http://qz.com/355398/the-average-anti-vaxxer-is-probably-not-who-you-think-she-is/) **Liberal: 60% of anti-vaxxers describe their political leaning as liberal.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891.md?page=12)