# Is Trump's pettiness over Megyn Kelly going to hurt him \[plus Ramos incident\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 25, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891 "2015-08-25T21:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/221 "2015-08-29T00:31:34Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Non-sequitur. Ignorant about your hero’s ideas then. > **[Why Bill Gates Is A Hero And Donald Trump Is A Zero](https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/04/17/why-bill-gates-is-a-hero-and-donald-trump-is-a-zero/)** > > Donald Trump should stop creating fear about vaccines, which are safe. > [@](#): > > Why Bill Gates Is A Hero And Donald Trump Is A Zero > > Donald Trump just went on CNBC [on 2012] and argued that vaccines are causing autism. The claims went unchallenged. He said: > > > [@](#): > > > > Autism is so prevalent today. I’ve been saying this for a long time, that the — I’m not against vaccination but I’m against massive vaccinations at one time in order to save doctor visits with the doctors. and frankly, a lot of people love that and some people didn’t look it. My attitude is if you spread the vaccinations over a period of time, what do we have to lose? Autism is so prevalent. > > Trump has been making similar claims on Fox and Friends and on Twitter. On TwitLonger, he made the following summation of his position: > > > [@](#): > > > > I’ve gotten many letters from people fighting autism thanking me for stating how dangerous 38 vaccines on a baby/toddler under 24 months are. It is totally insane – a baby cannot handle such tremendous trauma. Now they come up with this ridiculous study blaming obesity in the mother. The FDA should immediately stop heavy dose vaccinations and you will see a huge decrease in children with autism. What do they have to lose—nothing—but plenty to gain if I am correct. There is great dishonesty about autism! > > Luckily for me, someone smarter and richer than Trump — twenty times richer – has already done the bulk of the job of correcting this statement. On national television, no less. > > Cue Bill Gates, from his 2011 CNN interview with Sanjay Gupta, on the retracted paper by Dr. Andrew Wakefield that helped kick off the idea of a vaccine-autism link: > > > [@](#): > > > > Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely fraudulent data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection whatsoever again and again and again. So it’s an absolute lie that has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn’t have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts — you know, they, they kill children. It’s a very sad thing, because these vaccines are important. > > Just to emphasize that: “an absolute lie that has killed thousands of kids.” Gates, through the work of his foundation, has seen the impact that these vaccines can have. Hundreds of thousands of kids still die of measles every year worldwide because they don’t get measles vaccine. In a few countries, there are still cases of polio. If we stopped vaccinating, it would come back here. And important, you do not want such a guy to get a hold of the biggest bully pulpit that is the office of the presidency and: > **[Trump an Anti-Vaxxer! | National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-anti-vaxxer-wesley-j-smith/)** > > The anti-vaccine movement is based mostly on a completely discredited study published in The Lancet, found to be an “elaborate fraud” by the British Medical Journal. The author even lost his medica… > [@](#): > > Alas, the current Republican poll leader is apparently an anti-vaxxer (unless his Twitter account was hacked). Last year, Donald Trump posted on his Twitter page: > > ``` > Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn’t feel good and changes – AUTISM. Many such cases! > — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 28, 2014 > > ``` > > Good grief, the man agrees with the hysterical Robert F. Kennedy Jr.! What does that tell you? > > **That we don’t want him in charge of the National Institutes of Health.** If you had paid attention before you would know that I do dismiss and criticise any liberal that is against vaccines too, and yes, as you do not pay attention check what “liberal” media I did choose for the cites. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/222 "2015-08-29T00:33:29Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Liberal: 60% of anti-vaxxers describe their political leaning as liberal. They are also: [ul] [li]lower income bracket[/li][li]mid-western[/li][li]rural, non-college educated[/li][li]middle-aged[/li][li]don’t care about the environment[/li][/ul] – all of that from your cite – yeah, _ **that perfectly describes “liberal”** _! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/223 "2015-08-29T00:35:51Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > They are also: > [ul] > [li]lower income bracket[/li][li]mid-western[/li][li]rural, non-college educated[/li][li]middle-aged[/li][li]don’t care about the environment[/li][/ul] > – all of that from your cite – yeah, _ **that perfectly describes “liberal”** _! 😃 Take it up with the Pew Research Center. They are pretty well regarded. And they found that “60% of anti-vaxxers describe their political leaning as liberal”. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/224 "2015-08-29T00:41:00Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Take it up with the Pew Research Center. They are pretty well regarded. And they found that “60% of anti-vaxxers describe their political leaning as liberal”. Again, I don’t give then any importance and in the last outbreak it was the very conservative area or Orange county California that was in the news. Regardless, unless you can point at a current Democrat that is as stupid as Trump is, you are just going for a Red Herring. I will not vote for any liberal that is against vaccines, and no democrat or republican that accepts science should support Trump. The pollsters are right so far, Trump is as high as it is thanks to low information voters. IOW, ignorants. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/225 "2015-08-29T00:53:40Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Ignorant about your hero’s ideas then. Oh, I know about that. I don’t agree with Trump on a lot of things. I still like him better than any politician running. And so do many, many people. You and others don’t get it. People are starting not to care what the politicians that are running in the elections say. Because it is widely known that the politicians will say anything and everything to get elected, and what they say has no relation whatsoever to what they do or do not do once elected. It is sad when your leading candidate is considered [dishonest and untrustworthy by 61% of voters](http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2274). And the top three words voters think when they hear your candidate’s name are: “liar”, “dishonest” and “untrustworthy”. Top three! That’s just pathetic. And yes - the top three words for Trump are: “arrogant”, “blowhard” and “idiot”. But “honest” is 6th for Trump, whereas for Hillary it is not even in the top 25. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/226 "2015-08-29T00:56:00Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Oh, I know about that. I don’t agree with Trump on a lot of things. I still like him better than any politician running. And so do many, many people. > > You and others don’t get it. People are starting not to care what the politicians that are running in the elections say. Because it is widely known that the politicians will say anything and everything to get elected, and what they say has no relation whatsoever to what they do or do not do once elected. As I said, low information is preferred. > [@Terr](#): > > It is sad when your leading candidate is considered [dishonest and untrustworthy by 61% of voters](http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2274). And the top three words voters think when they hear your candidate’s name are: “liar”, “dishonest” and “untrustworthy”. Top three! That’s just pathetic. > > And yes - the top three words for Trump are: “arrogant”, “blowhard” and “idiot”. But “honest” is 6th for Trump, whereas for Hillary it is not even in the top 25. And still in the general election any of the possible democrats is bound to win. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/227 "2015-08-29T01:05:10Z")
BTW The vaccine issue is not as unimportant as you want to make it, more people are bound to die if a twisted guy like Trump gets access to the CDC. And he will be very influential on what many people will do regarding vaccines. One needs to stop supporting a bullshit artist that can kill people. Penn and Teller on Vaccinations And being an anti-vaccer is only **one** dumb thing Trump believes that has very public implications. We have barely started on the high number of targets/skeletons that Trump has. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/228 "2015-08-29T03:35:50Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > He recognized his fairly heavy Mexican accent well enough, yes. Really? Trump can detect the difference in accents of native Spanish speakers when they speak English? Please tell how he would know? Mexican? Puerto Rican? Cuban? Colombian? Chilean? Spaniard? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/229 "2015-08-29T05:58:54Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Megyn Kelly has acted in a very professional manner. The GOP debate was handled well. I liked the idea that the top 10 candidates met on one stage AND that the other candidates were allowed to meet earlier. That seems to be so fair and balanced. That’s a very specific answer to what I had intended as general question. What do you think about Fox News,\*\* in general\*\*, not just specifically related to the recent debate, and the Kelly / Trump issue? In other words, you made this quote earlier: > [@doorhinge](#): > > A reporter should “report” the news. That includes all of the facts. Let the viewer/listener/reader decide the issues for themselves. > > A political activist only babbles on about what is good about their side of an issue, and what is bad about the other side of an issue. > > A political activist can not be trusted to be a reporter. Under these terms, do you feel that Fox News does “report the news”? Do you feel that they include all the facts? Do you feel that your description of “a political activist” does _not_ generally describe Fox News? PS – I did not hear that about CNN, but I don’t care; CNN jumped the shark several years ago, and I no longer feel I can take them seriously. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/230 "2015-08-29T11:03:20Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > “National Review” is definitely not “made up of journalists”. The writers are political activists. Bill Buckley was a political commentator, not a journalist. So is Ramos. He is pretending to be a journalist. He isn’t. You’re citing _National Review_ in support of your assertion that Ramos isn’t a journalist. Yet you’re clear that _they’re not journalists_, just political activists. So since we can’t trust them to report honestly, guess that kills your cite. > [@doorhinge](#): > > Read more at: [http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423134/jorge-ramos-donald-trump-immigration-univision](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423134/jorge-ramos-donald-trump-immigration-univision) And your cite too. 🙂 > [@doorhinge](#): > > Ramos is nothing more than a political shill for illegal aliens. I’m surprised that Ramos isn’t required to register as a lobbyist. Maybe you don’t understand the concept. Lobbyists are hired guns. Any evidence that Ramos is advocating for illegal aliens because they are paying him to do so? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/231 "2015-08-29T11:16:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > A reporter should “report” the news. That includes all of the facts. Let the viewer/listener/reader decide the issues for themselves. > > A political activist only babbles on about what is good about their side of an issue, and what is bad about the other side of an issue. ‘This is the way it is, because I said so.’ Gotcha. > [@](#): > > A political activist can not be trusted to be a reporter. Can’t see why not. With the activist/reporter, his biases are out in the open, and it’s easy for anyone to judge the effect his beliefs might be having on his reporting. The problem with ‘view from nowhere’ ‘unbiased’ reporting is that the biases of the mainstream journalistic class are still quite real, and have a very pronounced effect on their reporting, but their biases are unstated, so the average reader doesn’t know what sort of bill of goods they might be selling him as ‘reporting.’ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/232 "2015-08-30T11:04:00Z")
Getting back to Trump, is there a transcript of [Palin’s interview of him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeju2SG7UMA) anywhere? I gave up after just a few minutes of watching, but even in that time there were a bunch of obvious falsehoods and key omissions - and damned if Palin has gotten way more birdbrained than she was in 2008 - yeah, I know, how the hell is that possible? But I swear, it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/233 "2015-08-30T11:51:17Z")
I watched the whole thing. At least she doesn’t appear drunk. But I did just waste 10 minutes of my life. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/234 "2015-08-30T13:46:59Z")
I chuckled when I saw this but I wonder if the Trumpians would turn on him if he said something like this: “Jesus is a hero because he was crucified. I like Messiahs who don’t get crucified.” ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/235 "2015-08-30T14:51:06Z")
That’s why I like Obama. All the Messiah and none of the crucifixions. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/236 "2015-08-30T15:03:06Z")
I don’t know if this is the right thread for it or not, but Donald Trump is getting some endorsements: [Meet The Members Of Donald Trump’s White Supremacist Fan Club](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-white-supremacists_55dce43ee4b08cd3359dc41a) > [@](#): > > David Duke, a former grand wizard of the Ku Klux klan and perhaps the most famous face of the American white supremacy movement, said that while Trump was “untrustworthy” he was also “the best of the lot” running on the GOP side. > [@](#): > > Duke said his views on Trump were “evolving” and at other points in his show pointed out some concerns with the hotel mogul, including what he called “deep Jewish connections.” Still, his overall assessment of Trump – or, at least, his immigration stance – was positive. > > “I’m thinking more and more that this candidacy is a really good thing for us,” Duke said. > [@](#): > > The Daily Stormer, a leading neo-Nazi news site, endorsed Trump on June 28. “Trump is willing to say what most Americans think: it’s time to deport these people,” the site said in its endorsement. It then urged white men to “vote for the first time in our lives for the one man who actually represents our interests.” I honestly don’t know how much this will hurt him though. I know that if a candidate I was interested in was endorsed by racist group, or other hate groups, it would give me major pause. But I don’t know if people will overlook it or just not care. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/237 "2015-08-30T15:39:33Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I honestly don’t know how much this will hurt him though. I know that if a candidate I was interested in was endorsed by racist group, or other hate groups, it would give me major pause. But I don’t know if people will overlook it or just not care. Several in the alternative media that I check in times like this are not amused, by the right wing media specially, for overlooking things like this so while the ones that do want to be informed this will have some effect. For the low information voters this will slide like water on the back of a duck. (Low information voters = ignorants, and in large part thanks to the sources they use.) As I noticed in another thread the fact that Trump joined Arpaio to his hip has been basically ignored by the reporters, and when one remembers how tenuous some connections were with radical groups the media made scandals in the past about Obama the omission now by the talking heads not dealing with those connections Trump is actually making is noted by many human right groups and specially minorities like the Hispanics. We already know that Trump got buddy buddy with Arpaio very recently even though the courts declared that indeed he did abuse the rights of legal residents and citizens and he is now in court for his contempt for not following the court orders and sending private investigators to find dirt on the judges (that are active on his case now!) to get them dismissed. On top of that the Phoenix News Times has noted how Arpaio has been looking at more than just endorsements from Neo Nazis. > **[Joe Arpaio Takes Pic with Neo-Nazi, Gives Nazis Intelligence on Marchers](https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/joe-arpaio-takes-pic-with-neo-nazi-gives-nazis-intelligence-on-marchers-6500180)** > > As mentioned in a previous blog post, at Saturday's Walk for Respect to Joe Arpaio's Tent City, I spoke with neo-Nazis J.T. Ready and "Vito Lombardi," both of whom were throwing up the sieg heil sign as they verbally attacked the marchers passing by... > [@](#): > > If our eyes are to be believed, why is a top law enforcement official giving the time of day to a bunch of neo-Nazis, much less photo ops and info on protesters? Not that Joe hasn’t hobnobbed with goosesteppers before. Back in 2008, Sheriff Joe spoke before a crowd of United for a Sovereign America members. U.S.A. has allowed neo-Nazis to join its group, and on the evening Joe spoke, old-time Arizona neo-Nazi Elton Hall was present, cheering him on. > > Is Arpaio so desperate for attention and support that he needs Hitler-worshippers in his camp? When I challenged Joe on meeting with U.S.A. back in 2008, he blustered that he talks to “everybody.” I got the same response from his top flack Lisa Allen. Seems there’s no shame in their game. Even when it comes to Arpaio rubbing shoulders with swastika-lovers. > > (For the record, I called Arpaio for comment using his home number. The first time, his wife answered, and said Joe wouldn’t be back till later. The second time, I got their voice mail. I left a message for Joe about the photo, asking for his comment. He has yet to call me back.) And that was noted years ago, Trump is indeed a willful ignorant unfit to be president if he is so clueless about the people he is seeking for support (and some do worry that they are being check by Trump for his future cabinet) or that he knows already the kind of guys he is looking for support and that he does not care. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/238 "2015-08-30T17:41:47Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I don’t know if this is the right thread for it or not, but Donald Trump is getting some endorsements: [Meet The Members Of Donald Trump’s White Supremacist Fan Club](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-white-supremacists_55dce43ee4b08cd3359dc41a) > > I honestly don’t know how much this will hurt him though. I know that if a candidate I was interested in was endorsed by racist group, or other hate groups, it would give me major pause. But I don’t know if people will overlook it or just not care. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Several in the alternative media that I check in times like this are not amused, by the right wing media specially, for overlooking things like this so while the ones that do want to be informed this will have some effect. For the low information voters this will slide like water on the back of a duck. (Low information voters = ignorants, and in large part thanks to the sources they use.) > > Trump is indeed a willful ignorant unfit to be president if he is so clueless about the people he is seeking for support (and some do worry that they are being check by Trump for his future cabinet) or that he knows already the kind of guys he is looking for support and that he does not care. This is what is so concerning about his run; even the Republican party machine hacks are worried about it. He is like a gateway drug for active racism. By making this kind of bigotry “acceptable” for the mainstream, he is giving the white supremacists direct access to influence the low information ignorant voters. This is why all the bullshit was being flung about Ramos. Any reporter who brings this to light needs to be discredited. Look at what was said to Ramos after he was escorted out (“Get out of my country!”). Trump’s remark “Go back to Univision!” was the dog whistle for that sentiment. There are people with swastika tattoos and Nazi paraphernalia at all these rallies mixing with the other supporters. And it’s [taking hold](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-fearful-and-the-frustrated): “He has my vote,” Karen Mayer, a sixty-one-year-old human-resources manager, told me. Already? “Already,” she said. Her husband, Bob Hazelton, nodded in agreement. I asked what issue they cared about more than any other. “Illegal immigration, because it’s destroying the country,” Mayer said. I didn’t expect that answer in New Hampshire, I remarked. She replied, “They’re everywhere, and they are sucking our economy dry.” Hazelton nodded again, and said, “And we’re paying for it.” This is in New Hampshire, not Alabama. More: When the Trump storm broke this summer, it touched off smaller tempests that stirred up American politics in ways that were easy to miss from afar. On June 28th, twelve days after Trump’s announcement, the Daily Stormer, America’s most popular neo-Nazi news site, endorsed him for President: “Trump is willing to say what most Americans think: it’s time to deport these people.” The Daily Stormer urged white men to “vote for the first time in our lives for the one man who actually represents our interests.” From Richard Spencer, director of the National Policy Institute, and “white identitarian”: “Trump, on a gut level, kind of senses that this is about demographics, ultimately. We’re moving into a new America.” He said, “I don’t think Trump is a white nationalist,” but he did believe that Trump reflected “an unconscious vision that white people have—that their grandchildren might be a hated minority in their own country. I think that scares us. They probably aren’t able to articulate it. I think it’s there. I think that, to a great degree, explains the Trump phenomenon. I think he is the one person who can tap into it.” Trump is no innocent when it comes to abetting racism. He has a history of racist shenanigans going back to the 80’s. I dealt with it firsthand when I worked with his bldg mgmt. He knows what he is doing. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/239 "2015-08-30T18:55:56Z")
And speaking about an example of who is supporting Trump: Via The Young Turks: Trump Supporter Tells US Citizen “Get Out Of My Country” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/JUgE2noj-bo/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump Supporter Tells US Citizen "Get Out Of My Country"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgE2noj-bo) > [@](#): > > Jorge Ramos, a reporter for Univision, was kicked out of a Donald Trump press conference recently. Eventually he was allowed back in to answer questions.\*\* In the meanwhile a Trump supporter confronted Ramos and told him to get out of the country. \*\*Cenk Uygur delivers his Final Judgment on what “our country” means. > [@](#): > > 0:25 > _ **Trump Supporter or staffer** _: This [Trump and his campaign] it is not about you, get out of my country, get out… > > _ **Jorge Ramos:** _ I am a USA citizen too! > > _ **Trump Supporter or staffer** _: Well, whatever! No Univision, no, its not about you, it’s not about you… > > \*\*Jorge Ramos: \*\* “It’s not about you”? It is about the United States. > > _ **Cenk Uygur** _ [on the studio commenting on that:] Oh man, that pisses me off! It’s not your f\*\*\*\*\*\* country. You don’t own us you don’t own the country. I know you used to own everything and you hated that you don’t do that anymore… Pointing at him and jabbing your finger at his face. That’s the guy who’s built a career as a journalist in this country and he say he says “I’m a citizen” [and gets for a reply] “No, Univision!” What does that mean you knucklehead? Idiot! so no, this is the Trump supporter there. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/240 "2015-08-31T13:37:55Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And speaking about an example of who is supporting Trump: > > Via The Young Turks: > > Trump Supporter Tells US Citizen “Get Out Of My Country” > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgE2noj-bo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgE2noj-bo) Oh No! Stop the presses! Someone in the audience told the rude asshole Ramos to get out of the country. Dozens of people are now clutching their pearls and suffering from “the vapors”. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891.md?page=13)