# Is Trump's pettiness over Megyn Kelly going to hurt him \[plus Ramos incident\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 25, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891 "2015-08-25T21:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/241 "2015-08-31T13:45:10Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > ‘This is the way it is, because I said so.’ > > Gotcha.Can’t see why not. With the activist/reporter, his biases are out in the open, and it’s easy for anyone to judge the effect his beliefs might be having on his reporting. > > The problem with ‘view from nowhere’ ‘unbiased’ reporting is that the biases of the mainstream journalistic class are still quite real, and have a very pronounced effect on their reporting, but their biases are unstated, so the average reader doesn’t know what sort of bill of goods they might be selling him as ‘reporting.’ Then they are not reporters of the news. They aren’t reporting all the news, or the facts. They are operating as just another public relations agent promoting specific causes. If they’re willing to lie, spin, twist, or ignore the other sides of an issue - They Ain’t New Reporters. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/242 "2015-08-31T13:47:42Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > …Maybe you don’t understand the concept. Lobbyists are hired guns. Any evidence that Ramos is advocating for illegal aliens because they are paying him to do so? Lobbyist lobby. Where does it say that a lobbyist must be paid? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/243 "2015-08-31T14:08:07Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Lobbyist lobby. > > Where does it say that a lobbyist must be paid? From the Wikipedia page on the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995: > [@](#): > > The legislation defines a client as “any person or entity that employs or retains another person for financial or other compensation to conduct lobbying activities on behalf of that person or entity. A person or entity whose employees act as lobbyists on its own behalf is both a client and an employer of such employees.” The legislation also defines “lobbyist”: "The term “lobbyist” means any individual who is employed or retained by a client for financial or other compensation for services ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/244 "2015-08-31T14:21:28Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Then they are not reporters of the news. They aren’t reporting all the news, or the facts. They are operating as just another public relations agent promoting specific causes. If they’re willing to lie, spin, twist, or ignore the other sides of an issue - They Ain’t New Reporters. Again, IYHO. And a perfectly good opinion at that - as good as anyone else’s. Thanks for sharing it. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/245 "2015-08-31T14:31:30Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > From the Wikipedia page on the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995: That’s good to know. Then you can’t lobby for any issue unless you’re being paid, or otherwise compensated. I guess that makes any unpaid person who lobbies a politician a “talker”? A person who lobbies but isn’t a lobbyist? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/246 "2015-08-31T14:35:16Z")
To answer the OP: no. In fact, in the [latest poll](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/30/this-iowa-poll-shows-just-how-amazing-donald-trumps-rise-has-been/), Trump’s favorability ratings in Iowa reversed - in may they were 27/63 and now they are 61/35. Or, as Cillizza put it: “That’s why I was SO certain of Trump’s inability to matter at all in the 2016 race when he, somewhat stunningly, decided to enter it 70-odd days ago. In the almost 20 years — gulp — I have spent following politics closer than close, I’ve never seen anything like the total reversal in how Trump is perceived by Republican voters. It is, quite literally, unprecedented.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/247 "2015-08-31T14:41:14Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Oh No! Stop the presses! Someone in the audience told the rude asshole Ramos to get out of the country. Dozens of people are now clutching their pearls and suffering from “the vapors”. :rolleyes: The point, as you only show that you are willfully missing, was that Trump is attracting and seeking support have a lot of poison that will be harder to pull out the longer Trump is ahead. So keep up with your disdain because it is educational to many moderate Republicans and independents too, the remaining Hispanic Republicans and many other reasonable ones are paying attention to people like you and they are not going to remain in the “big tent” > **[The 'Trump Effect' Alienating Conservative Latinos](https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/31/435584004/the-trump-effect-alienating-conservative-latinos)** > > The GOP's post-mortem in the wake of the 2012 election suggested the party needed to appeal to Latinos. But the current immigration conversation sparked by Donald Trump could threaten that goal. > [@](#): > > Trump likes to say that Hispanics love him. But the data tell a different story. Trump is hugely unpopular with Latino voters of all political stripes. > > A Gallup poll released last week showed two-thirds — 65 percent — of Latino voters have an unfavorable opinion of the real-estate-mogul-turned-GOP-front-runner. Only 14 percent had a favorable opinion of him. > > Keep in mind, the poll was conducted before a Trump security guard kicked Univision’s Jorge Ramos out of his press conference in Iowa. > [@](#): > > Trump’s Problem — And Influence > > To be clear — the crux of the frustration for essentially every Latino Republican interviewed for this story was not the GOP presidential field in its entirety; but, specifically, Trump, his immigration ideologies, and his power to dominate (and influence) the conversation. > > “It’s disappointing what’s going on with the party right now,” said Tom Narvaez, a 23-year-old law student from Virginia, whose parents immigrated from El Salvador. “If you want to win over the Latino community, you have to respect them. And, I think that’s what some of the candidates are failing to do.” > > Narvaez is a committed Republican. He interned for former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and volunteered for Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign, but he said the immigration rhetoric in this campaign, especially from Trump, is “insulting.” > > The other night, he even tweeted at the RNC Chairman Reince Priebus to express his exasperation with the situation. > > [Tweets:] > minority votes just keep flying to the left. As a Latino [Trump] is what the GOP needs to lose my vote. So yeah, many “presses” did stop to notice. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/248 "2015-08-31T14:42:31Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > That’s good to know. Then you can’t lobby for any issue unless you’re being paid, or otherwise compensated. I guess that makes any unpaid person who lobbies a politician a “talker”? A person who lobbies but isn’t a lobbyist? That person is a citizen of the united states and a voter too. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/249 "2015-08-31T14:51:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > To answer the OP: no. In fact, in the [latest poll](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/30/this-iowa-poll-shows-just-how-amazing-donald-trumps-rise-has-been/), Trump’s favorability ratings in Iowa reversed - in may they were 27/63 and now they are 61/35. > > Or, as Cillizza put it: > > “That’s why I was SO certain of Trump’s inability to matter at all in the 2016 race when he, somewhat stunningly, decided to enter it 70-odd days ago. In the almost 20 years — gulp — I have spent following politics closer than close, I’ve never seen anything like the total reversal in how Trump is perceived by Republican voters. It is, quite literally, unprecedented.” It’s pretty much always been the case that the more people get to know Trump, the more they like him. I think we’re seeing that, at least in part, in Trump’s continued rise in approval polls. Another factor could be that people like to back a winner and Trump is looking more and more like a winner as time goes by. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/250 "2015-08-31T14:52:25Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > That’s good to know. Then you can’t lobby for any issue unless you’re being paid, or otherwise compensated. I guess that makes any unpaid person who lobbies a politician a “talker”? A person who lobbies but isn’t a lobbyist? I would maybe use the word “advocate”. A person can make an appointment with a legislator and advocate for certain things but he doesn’t have to register as a lobbyist (which was your original statement, "I’m surprised he doesn’t have to register as a lobbyist ") if they aren’t getting paid to do so. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/251 "2015-08-31T14:59:00Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > To answer the OP: no. In fact, in the [latest poll](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/30/this-iowa-poll-shows-just-how-amazing-donald-trumps-rise-has-been/), Trump’s favorability ratings in Iowa reversed - in may they were 27/63 and now they are 61/35. > > Or, as Cillizza put it: > > “That’s why I was SO certain of Trump’s inability to matter at all in the 2016 race when he, somewhat stunningly, decided to enter it 70-odd days ago. In the almost 20 years — gulp — I have spent following politics closer than close, I’ve never seen anything like the total reversal in how Trump is perceived by Republican voters. It is, quite literally, unprecedented.” Just so you do not become disappointed much later in the general, Those are Iowa caucus voters and are Republican. The latest poll from Iowa is showing Ben Carson just 5 points away from Trump. And in the latest Quinnipiac poll both Clinton and Sanders are ahead of him. (Clinton ahead by 16 points) ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/252 "2015-08-31T15:01:42Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I would maybe use the word “advocate”. A person can make an appointment with a legislator and advocate for certain things but he doesn’t have to register as a lobbyist (which was your original statement, "I’m surprised he doesn’t have to register as a lobbyist ") if they aren’t getting paid to do so. Can an advocate lobby (verb) a politician? \*lobby verb to ​try to ​persuade a ​politician, the ​government, or an ​official ​group that a ​particular thing should or should not ​happen, or that a ​law should be ​changed: - Small ​businesses have lobbied hard for/against ​changes in the ​tax ​laws. - Local ​residents lobbied to have the ​factory ​shut down. - They have been lobbying ​Congress to ​change the ​legislation ​concerning ​guns.\* > **[lobby](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lobby?q=lobbyist)** > > 1. to try to persuade a politician, the government, or an official group that a… ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/253 "2015-08-31T15:06:38Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > To answer the OP: no. In fact, in the [latest poll](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/30/this-iowa-poll-shows-just-how-amazing-donald-trumps-rise-has-been/), Trump’s favorability ratings in Iowa reversed - in may they were 27/63 and now they are 61/35. That is a poll of “likely Iowa GOP caucus-goers.” Can we agree that they are not representative of anyone but Iowa Republican caucus-goers? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/254 "2015-08-31T15:07:45Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Can an advocate lobby (verb) a politician? Do you honestly want to know the difference between a lobbyist and lobbying? Because they are terms with specific legal meanings that aren’t the same as how people often use them. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/255 "2015-08-31T15:09:20Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The point, as you only show that you are willfully missing, was that Trump is attracting and seeking support have a lot of poison that will be harder to pull out the longer Trump is ahead. (post shortened) The point is that many of the people supporting Trump and Carson do not like politics-as-usual and they do not like politicians. Which could be the same reason why Hillary is continuing to fall in the polls. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/256 "2015-08-31T15:29:59Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > The point is that many of the people supporting Trump and Carson do not like politics-as-usual and they do not like politicians. > > Which could be the same reason why Hillary is continuing to fall in the polls. The point that you miss was that as much as democrats would had liked to have Trump in the general election we (and that we also refers to many moderate republicans) would prefer a less poisonous candidate, and you colossally missed that Clinton got up in the match up with Trump in the latest poll, to 16 points ahead of him. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/257 "2015-08-31T15:34:38Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Can an advocate lobby (verb) a politician? > \*lobby > verb > > to ​try to ​persuade a ​politician, the ​government, or an ​official ​group that a ​particular thing should or should not ​happen, or that a ​law should be ​changed: > > - Small ​businesses have lobbied hard for/against ​changes in the ​tax ​laws. > > - Local ​residents lobbied to have the ​factory ​shut down. > > - They have been lobbying ​Congress to ​change the ​legislation ​concerning ​guns.\* > > [LOBBY | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary](http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lobby?q=lobbyist) Excellent point! I too am surprised Ramos hasn’t registered as a lobbyist with the Cambridge English Dictionary! Shocking! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/258 "2015-08-31T16:03:37Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Can an advocate lobby (verb) a politician? You don’t have to register as a lobbyist in order to exercise your First Amendment rights of free speech and petitioning the government for redress of grievances. I write and call my Congresscritters on occasion, and usually it’s not about stuff that affects me directly, so I’m certainly acting as an advocate for someone or something else when I do so. Am I supposed to register as a lobbyist when I do that? Of course not. And the distinction is, nobody’s paying me to do so. I’m not hiring out my exceedingly limited influence to the highest bidder. (Jayne Cobb: “Ten percent of nothing is—let me do the math here. Nothing into nothin’. Carry the nothin’…”) So there’s no requirement that I register. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/259 "2015-08-31T16:44:41Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Excellent point! I too am surprised Ramos hasn’t registered as a lobbyist with the Cambridge English Dictionary! Shocking! It wasn’t a “point”. It was a question. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/260 "2015-08-31T16:46:21Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The point that you miss was that as much as democrats would had liked to have Trump in the general election we (and that we also refers to many moderate republicans) would prefer a less poisonous candidate, and you colossally missed that Clinton got up in the match up with Trump in the latest poll, to 16 points ahead of him. If Hillary can beat Bernie in the primary. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891.md?page=14)