# Is Trump's pettiness over Megyn Kelly going to hurt him \[plus Ramos incident\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 25, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891 "2015-08-25T21:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/101 "2015-08-26T22:04:02Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > “He’s authentic, he’s genuine, he won’t be influenced by the lobbyists. He **IS** a lobbyist. Instead of paying the GOP for a candidate, he’ll just do it himself. Look lady, and Terr, if you want to support Trump because you think he’s an unfiltered asshole, go ahead. But quit this delusion that he’s somehow above the fray when it comes to political influence. He is the influence. He’s the guy paying the SuperPACs, the guy keeping dead-end candidates going months after their expiration date. He just decided this time he’ll do it himself. I don’t really care if you believe that or not, but I’d like to know if you’re ok with simply electing a lobbyist. If you believed he was a lobbyist, an influence peddler, a guy giving a Congressman a sack of money with a dollar sign on it, would you still be ok electing that type of person? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/102 "2015-08-26T22:42:22Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I’ll help you. > > Is [The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/aug/08/donald-trump-menstruation-fox-news-megyn-kelly-audio) a “mainstream source”? > > How about [The Telegraph](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/11791693/Donald-Trump-says-Megyn-Kellys-tough-questioning-was-due-to-menstruation.html)? > > [The Daily Beast](http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/08/07/trump-megyn-kelly-has-blood-coming-out-of-somewhere-else.html) > > [International Business Times](http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-ends-blooded-menstruation-comment-controversy-1514671) > > [Salon.com](http://www.salon.com/2015/08/08/donald_trumps_disgusting_new_attack_on_megyn_kelly_she_had_blood_coming_from_her_whatever/) > > [Al Jazeera America](http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/8/10/advocates-call-out-double-standards-on-trumps-period-backlash.html) > > [The New Yorker](http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/how-trump-survived-the-megyn-kelly-blowup) Perhaps I should have specified the US press, but I wouldn’t generally put British and Qatari media outlets as part of the LSM (sic.) I would certainly exclude Salon, The New Yorker, and The Daily Beast, none of which offer what I would think of as straight news pieces. > [@doorhinge](#): > > I can’t remember seeing a non-opinion article from a mainstream news source. I’ve also mentioned the blogosphere, internet, pundits, etc. I linked to a CNN piece in my original response, though it appears the link broke sometime between then and now. [Here’s](http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/politics/donald-trump-cnn-megyn-kelly-comment/) another CNN article from 8/8. Literally the first hit from googling “Donald Trump Megyn Kelly blood site:cnn.com”. > [@](#): > > The “story” had become media-types discussing whether Trump had been talking about Kelly’s menstrual cycle. The LSM and blogosphere had no proof but that didn’t stop the rumors/news stories from circulating. You said that the LSM (sic) claimed that Trump must have been referring to menstruation. This is false. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/103 "2015-08-26T22:49:44Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > Perhaps I should have specified the US press, but I wouldn’t generally put British and Qatari media outlets as part of the LSM (sic.) I would certainly exclude Salon, The New Yorker, and The Daily Beast, none of which offer what I would think of as straight news pieces. Ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/104 "2015-08-26T22:53:58Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Ridiculous. A more solid argument than I might have expected, there. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/105 "2015-08-26T23:01:18Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > …You said that the LSM (sic) claimed that Trump must have been referring to menstruation. This is false. (post shortened) I watched the GOP debate follow ups and the weekend shows on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, as well as several others. The three words which stood out, and were repeatedly used at that time, were “menstruation” and “Kelly” and “Trump”. The question was repeatedly asked and discussed. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/106 "2015-08-26T23:01:26Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > The LSM and blogosphere began claiming that Trump must be talking about Kelly’s menstruation some two weeks ago and they haven’t stopped. Except for the fact that Trump never said what “they” claimed he said, you have to admire their ability to repeatedly ask Trump about Kelly. > > The most amusing part is the fact that people then complain about Trump for answering the media’s questions about Kelly. What a hoot. When was the media asking Trump questions when he started spewing hate at Kelly on Twitter after she came back from her vacation ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/107 "2015-08-26T23:02:33Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > A more solid argument than I might have expected, there. That’s the only response someone who claims that The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Daily Beast, International Business Times, [Salon.com](http://Salon.com), Al Jazeera America and The New Yorker are not “mainstream media” deserves. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/108 "2015-08-26T23:03:15Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I watched the GOP debate follow ups and the weekend shows on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, as well as several others. The three words which stood out, and were repeatedly used at that time, were “menstruation” and “Kelly” and “Trump”. > > The question was repeatedly asked and discussed. As it should have been. It’s a reasonable interpretation. It’s not the case that the LSM (sic), even if it had a hive mind, asserted that menstruation was the only possible interpretation, as you claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/109 "2015-08-26T23:07:08Z")
Trump could’ve been talking about menstruation. Or he could have just said something stupid. Or both. Does it matter? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/110 "2015-08-26T23:07:16Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > As it should have been. It’s a reasonable interpretation. It’s not the case that the LSM (sic), even if it had a hive mind, asserted that menstruation was the only possible interpretation, as you claimed. (underline added) Only? Did I say “only”? I didn’t say “only”. Little wonder that you’ve been confused. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/111 "2015-08-26T23:09:09Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > That’s the only response someone who claims that The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Daily Beast, International Business Times, [Salon.com](http://Salon.com), Al Jazeera America and The New Yorker are not “mainstream media” deserves. Do you seriously see Salon as mainstream media? If so, you and I just have a very different understanding of what that term means. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/112 "2015-08-26T23:11:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Trump could’ve been talking about menstruation. Or he could have just said something stupid. Or both. Does it matter? Apparently it does. Trump was asked for a clarification. Trump provided a clarification. The haters refused to accept the clarification. The media outlets continue to ask Trump about Kelly. Trump answers their questions. The haters then complain that Trump is still talking about Kelly. I assume that some day, eventually, maybe, the haters will figure this out. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/113 "2015-08-26T23:14:07Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (underline added) > > Only? Did I say “only”? I didn’t say “only”. Little wonder that you’ve been confused. Here’s what you said: > [@](#): > > The LSM and blogosphere began claiming that Trump must be talking about Kelly’s menstruation some two weeks ago and they haven’t stopped. Yes, your claim is that the LSM (sic) began claiming that Trump must be talking about Kelly’s menstruation. Not that they talked about it as a possibility amongst other interpretations. I’m okay with it if you want to revise your statement to the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/114 "2015-08-27T04:22:24Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Except of course on the part where he resorted to the Pinocchio lie that he did not know who Ramos was. Speaking of Pinocchio lies: [http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/27/us-usa-election-trump-univision-idUSKCN0QV02420150827](http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/27/us-usa-election-trump-univision-idUSKCN0QV02420150827) Ramos, who has been critical of Trump’s stance on immigration, said he was waiting for his turn to ask a question on the subject when Trump ordered him out. Really? He was "waiting for his turn to ask a question? It’s like he thinks this was not videotaped and can lie about his behavior. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/115 "2015-08-27T05:13:39Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Speaking of Pinocchio lies: > > [http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/27/us-usa-election-trump-univision-idUSKCN0QV02420150827](http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/27/us-usa-election-trump-univision-idUSKCN0QV02420150827) > > Ramos, who has been critical of Trump’s stance on immigration, said he was waiting for his turn to ask a question on the subject when Trump ordered him out. > > Really? He was "waiting for his turn to ask a question? It’s like he thinks this was not videotaped and can lie about his behavior. Second time that you did not pay attention, I already said that I think Ramos was out of line; but we are not going to vote for him, deal with the fact that Trump did lie and in front of reporters and the American people, and not only on that but about many other more important issues or he is an ignorant that will make things worse for America. > **[Here are the dumbest things Donald Trump has ever said about science](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/donald-trump-science-climate-change-vaccines-autism-ebola/)** > > The reality TV star has a long history of firing the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/116 "2015-08-27T05:16:03Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Second time that you did not pay attention, I already said that I think Ramos was out of line I was not talking about him being out of line. I was talking about him lying about it. Do you agree he lied? See, Ramos’ statement is a provable lie. Trump’s statement that he didn’t know who Ramos was is quite possibly the truth. He obviously knew he was from Univision, but how do you know Trump knew what Ramos looks like? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/117 "2015-08-27T05:21:27Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I was not talking about him being out of line. I was talking about him lying about it. Do you agree he lied? Yes, and this is not hard to get: it does not take away the lies of Trump. > [@Terr](#): > > See, Ramos’ statement is a provable lie. Trump’s statement that he didn’t know who Ramos was is quite possibly the truth. He obviously knew he was from Univision, but how do you know Trump knew what Ramos looks like? Because he already disparaged Ramos on instagram weeks ago, really since Univision was involved in the Ms Universe Paegant it is really unlikely that Trump did not know who he was. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/118 "2015-08-27T05:23:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Because he already disparaged Ramos on instagram weeks ago, really since Univision was involved in the Ms Universe Paegant it is really unlikely that Trump did not know who he was. How does the fact that he “disparaged Ramos on Instagram” prove that Trump knew what Ramos looks like? I mean, I heard Ramos’ name before, quite a few times. That is, I “knew who he was”. The first time I saw what he looked like was on that video of his blowup at the press conference. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/119 "2015-08-27T05:31:04Z")
It doesn’t matter how Ramos behaved. Trump’s the one running for President. And the impression he gave is somebody who can’t handle the heat. A President can’t build a bubble around himself. If Trump can’t stand having Jorge Ramos in the same room, how is he supposed to handle it when he has to deal with Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping? Does he think he can just say “Nope, I’m not putting up with this. Take him away.” Trump has spent his career surrounded by yes-men. It makes him ill suited for politics. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891/120 "2015-08-27T05:41:09Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > How does the fact that he “disparaged Ramos on Instagram” prove that Trump knew what Ramos looks like? > > I mean, I heard Ramos’ name before, quite a few times. The first time I saw what he looked like was on that video of his blowup at the press conference. Knowing who someone is does not require that you know his face, I know about many famous authors but I’m not sure to recognize them on the street. But it is very unlikely that with the beauty contests and the many interviews with politicians in the past that Trump did not know who he was. In this case I do remember that that some poster claimed early that Ramos had a Univision badge, clearly that was not the case: > **[In taking on Jorge Ramos, Donald Trump may have tussled with the wrong media...](https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-jorge-ramos-donald-trump-20150826-htmlstory.html)** That, together with trump almost right away telling Ramos to “go back to Univision” shows to me that he did know who he was talking to. Whoever source the poster used that claimed that Trump looked at a badge to identify Ramos as a Univision reporter is also telling lies, there was no badge in the picture and the videos. Trump knew who he was. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-trumps-pettiness-over-megyn-kelly-going-to-hurt-him-plus-ramos-incident/728891.md?page=7)