# Is truth really up for debate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 9, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823 "2013-08-09T18:21:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Okieshowedem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/okieshowedem/32/7278_2.png) [@Okieshowedem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okieshowedem)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/1 "2013-08-09T18:21:47Z")
There is the truth then there is every ones opinion. Those who think they know are the very ones that are deceived by the most subtle creature that the Creator of all things has created so says the Scriptures. Want to see how this evil one deceived the whole world? Then come on by the web site. Okie ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/2 "2013-08-09T18:24:53Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > There is the truth then there is every ones opinion. > Those who think they know are the very ones that are deceived by the most subtle creature that the Creator of all things has created so says the Scriptures. > Want to see how this evil one deceived the whole world? > Then come on by the web site. > Okie Gee, if your god hadn’t created this “evil one” in the first place, we wouldn’t be in this mess, would we? Maybe your god should step up and take responsibility for his fuck-up? ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/3 "2013-08-09T18:26:44Z")
Somehow I don’t see this shaping up to a Great Debate. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/4 "2013-08-09T18:27:57Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > Want to see how this evil one deceived the whole world? Set up a web site and asked people to visit it? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/5 "2013-08-09T18:28:00Z")
> [@aNewLeaf](#): > > Somehow I don’t see this shaping up to a Great Debate. Not even a Good Debate. Maybe Fair to Middlin? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/6 "2013-08-09T18:31:17Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > **Is truth really up for debate?** Yes; Pontius Pilate had it right on that point. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/7 "2013-08-09T18:33:23Z")
No, no it isnt ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/8 "2013-08-09T18:34:49Z")
Small problem-I can’t open pdfs at work. If I die before I get home to rread your link, **Okieshowedem** , am I doomed to burn in Hell forever? Needless to say, need answer _fast_. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/9 "2013-08-09T18:35:45Z")
**Okieshowedem** , don’t link to that site anymore. You’ve done it in something like 20% of your posts on this site. It’s obnoxious and looks spammy, and I don’t know if you’re promoting it because you like it or if it belongs to you. Regardless, cut it out. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/10 "2013-08-09T18:38:11Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > There is the truth then there is every ones opinion. Yeah, well, that’s, like, your opinion, man. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/11 "2013-08-09T18:39:07Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Yeah, well, that’s, like, your opinion, man. Ain’t _that_ the truth! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/12 "2013-08-09T18:40:22Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > the most subtle creature that the Creator of all things has created Todd Bridges? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/13 "2013-08-09T18:43:03Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > No, no it isnt Yes it is. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/14 "2013-08-09T18:43:54Z")
Now we’re getting into some Great Debate. maybe next we can address whether it is duck season or rabbit season. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/15 "2013-08-09T18:43:59Z")
I thought Santa Clause was a truth until he wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Okieshowedem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/okieshowedem/32/7278_2.png) [@Okieshowedem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okieshowedem)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/16 "2013-08-09T18:45:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Gee, if your god hadn’t created this “evil one” in the first place, we wouldn’t be in this mess, would we? Maybe your god should step up and take responsibility for his fuck-up? Czarcasm If you would read Romans 6:16 you would see who takes responsibility for folks like yourself. Go have your self a great day. Okie ---
**Author:** ![Okieshowedem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/okieshowedem/32/7278_2.png) [@Okieshowedem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okieshowedem)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/17 "2013-08-09T18:48:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Small problem-I can’t open pdfs at work. > If I die before I get home to rread your link, **Okieshowedem** , am I doomed to burn in Hell forever? > Needless to say, need answer _fast_. To answer your question hell no you won’t burn in hell forever that just another one of of your God’s lies. Okie ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/18 "2013-08-09T18:49:59Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > To answer your question hell no you won’t burn in hell forever that just another one of of your God’s lies. > > Okie Not _my_ god, dude-when I was no longer a child I put aside such childish things. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/19 "2013-08-09T18:50:02Z")
So, it’s more like an actual, literal reading of John 3:16. The choice is to perish, or have Everlasting Life. ---
**Author:** ![Okieshowedem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/okieshowedem/32/7278_2.png) [@Okieshowedem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okieshowedem)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/20 "2013-08-09T18:51:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Okieshowedem** , don’t link to that site anymore. You’ve done it in something like 20% of your posts on this site. It’s obnoxious and looks spammy, and I don’t know if you’re promoting it because you like it or if it belongs to you. Regardless, cut it out. Strange that no one wants to hear the truth anymore. Okie [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823.md?page=2)