# Is truth really up for debate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 9, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823 "2013-08-09T18:21:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/61 "2013-08-09T22:23:59Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > No, no it isn’t Yes. It is! ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/62 "2013-08-09T22:29:15Z")
Could God make an argument so circular even he couldn’t believe it? ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/63 "2013-08-09T22:39:59Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > What’s the difference between a phenomenon that can’t be observed, measured or tested, and a phenomenon that doesn’t exist? Oh, I don’t know … Take, for example, the subjective experience of one’s self. This cannot realy be observed, measured, or tested. At least not in the same way that we might observe a sofa in the living room or measure the right ascension of Vega on May 25, 2013 at 1400Z. But I know of no one, outside schizophrenics experiencing depersonalization, who fails to perceive their own selves as real phenomena of an existing consciousness. It even has a fancy name: _qualia_. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/64 "2013-08-10T02:56:48Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Yes. It is! No, no it isn’t! ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/65 "2013-08-10T04:56:43Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > Strange that no one wants to hear the truth anymore. > > Okie I’ll let you in on a little secret: We can’t **handle** the truth! Wabbit season! ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/66 "2013-08-10T05:11:43Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Wabbit season! [**Fiddler crab season!**](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pChZeIE_3o) ---
**Author:** ![slm2955](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c6cbf5/32.png) [@slm2955](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slm2955)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/67 "2013-08-10T05:18:49Z")
> [@Kenm](#): > > [**Fiddler crab season!**](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pChZeIE_3o) No, awesome season. ---
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/68 "2013-08-10T06:11:43Z")
Okie, do you know what circular reasoning is? You start these threads and bow out rather quickly as if to acknowledge you have no argument. If you’re going to come in here with supposed special knowledge of the truth, defend your position. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/69 "2013-08-10T12:10:46Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > No, no it isn’t! YES, it is!! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/70 "2013-08-10T12:35:39Z")
> [@rock\_party](#): > > Okie, do you know what circular reasoning is? You start these threads and bow out rather quickly as if to acknowledge you have no argument. If you’re going to come in here with supposed special knowledge of the truth, defend your position. He’s witnessing, he’s not trying to prove anything. We’re supposed to fall over from hearing the revelation. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/71 "2013-08-10T15:03:08Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Sometimes it is fun to provisionally accept the premise that these mythical entities exist and see where it takes you. For instance, God and Satan. God killed almost the entire population of the world. God ordered his people to massacre villages. God let his temple be destroyed, twice. And Satan? Convinced two naive kids to have a fruit snack, did stuff to Job under God’s orders, tempted, maybe, Jesus, and annoyed Linda Blair. So one can have trouble distinguishing these mythical entities. > > Of course God says he is good. Know who else said he was good? 🙂 God also: - Told a man to kill his son as a test of faith - Fucked with Egypt a bunch for having slaves but kinda left the other slaveowning empires alone - Intentionally destroyed mankind’s first (and only) attempt at global unification and kept the nations intentionally separate and wary of each other for the sole purpose of keeping our potential depressed because we dared to build a structure too high and get too close to heaven. - Goliath was just doing his job. - Openly performed miracles and communicated with mankind but abruptly stopped doing so for the last 2000 years. No more pillars of fire, mana from heaven, mass genocide of firstborns, flamed chariots, never ending cups of lampoil, etc. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego can be saved from immolation but the 4 little girls who were in the 16th street baptist church that was bombed in 1963 couldn’t be spared. I guess we’re just not to question God’s plan in his infinite wisdom. - Arbitrarily decided that some 4000 years after recorded history began to send the savior of mankind to a remote part of the world pretty much to die in anonymity, leaving everyone who was born before that time, or outside the sphere of influence of the gospel completely and arbitrarily fucked with respect to eternal salvation. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/72 "2013-08-10T15:24:50Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > YES, it is!! No! No, it isn’t ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/73 "2013-08-10T15:40:58Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > YES, it is!! > [@YogSosoth](#): > > No! No, it isn’t I can see both of your points. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/74 "2013-08-10T16:12:18Z")
No one acknowledges that a talking duck impervious to gunfire and a rabbit game warden with a handlebar moustache are modern-day _miracles._ What, exactly, does it take, oh ye of little faith? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/75 "2013-08-10T16:15:49Z")
> [@Kenm](#): > > No one acknowledges that a talking duck impervious to gunfire and a rabbit game warden with a handlebar moustache are modern-day _miracles._ > > What, exactly, does it take, oh ye of little faith? A coyote catching and eating a roadrunner would convince me. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/76 "2013-08-10T16:41:14Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > No! No, it isn’t Yeah, well, I have a cite that says [the opposite.](http://s7.postimg.org/gzcgg357f/Gfhds.jpg) So there! ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/77 "2013-08-11T00:51:01Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > There is the truth then there is every ones opinion. > Those who think they know are the very ones that are deceived by the most subtle creature that the Creator of all things has created so says the Scriptures. Is punctuation up for debate as well? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/78 "2013-08-13T16:53:18Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Yeah, well, I have a cite that says [the opposite.](http://s7.postimg.org/gzcgg357f/Gfhds.jpg) So there! I see your site and raise youthis cite! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/79 "2013-08-13T18:05:04Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I see your site and raise youthis cite! [Fixed link](http://s7.postimg.org/gzcgg357f/Gfhds.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823/80 "2013-08-13T18:13:51Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > No! No, it isn’t Yes. . . it is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-truth-really-up-for-debate/665823.md?page=5)