# Is Weiner finished? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 8, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783 "2011-06-08T21:25:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/121 "2011-06-11T19:43:26Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It isn’t a big deal. Not a single human being on the planet actually cares. This is all just political theater. This has been the biggest news story in the country for about a week, sad as that is. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/122 "2011-06-11T19:44:10Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [Here’s the full Code of Ethics.](http://usgovinfo.about.com/blethics.htm) I’m sorry, but Weiner’s lying does not violate it in the way you’re saying. It doesn’t say ‘adhere to the strictest moral principles.’ It says ‘put loyalty to your own morals and the country ahead of your loyalty to your colleagues, party, or agency.’ He acted like a dope, but he didn’t hurt the country for the sake of helping his party or someone else in Congress. That’s not the Congressional code of ethics. [This is.](http://usgovinfo.about.com/blhousecode.htm) First rule of Congressional club is… > [@](#): > > 1. A Member, officer, or employee of the House of Representatives shall conduct himself at all times in a manner which shall reflect creditably on the House of Representatives. Not so good on the credibility part, this Weiner dude. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/123 "2011-06-11T19:46:32Z")
“Creditable” and “credible” are two different words, bro. Not a single person in Congress is credible. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/124 "2011-06-11T19:47:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That’s not the Congressional code of ethics. [This is.](http://usgovinfo.about.com/blhousecode.htm) No, it was the Code of Ethics for U.S. Government Services. Weiner did break the rule you’re quoting, not the one **Xema** is talking about. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/125 "2011-06-11T19:52:13Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > No, it was the Code of Ethics for U.S. Government Services. Weiner did break the rule you’re quoting, not the one **Xema** is talking about. Where did Xema say (s)he was talking your link? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/126 "2011-06-11T19:54:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Where did Xema say (s)he was talking your link? **Xema** quoted from that code of ethics in post #91. I posted a link to the full code later on. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/127 "2011-06-11T19:57:33Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Xema** quoted from that code of ethics in post #91. I posted a link to the full code later on. OK. Well, that was a mistake on **Xema** ’s part since it’s not what Weiner is going to be judged against. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/128 "2011-06-11T19:57:40Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It doesn’t say ‘adhere to the strictest moral principles.’ It says ‘put loyalty to your own morals and the country ahead of your loyalty to your colleagues, party, or agency.’ Are you quoting from your own link? Here’s what I see when I click on it: > [@](#): > > Put loyalty to the highest moral principals and to country above loyalty to Government persons, party, or department. It’s not “loyalty to your own morals” it’s “loyalty to the highest moral principals”. It is of course possible for someone to say “I alone decide what’s moral, and I happen to consider avoiding public embarrassment to be the highest moral principal” - but that’s probably (perhaps I should say hopefully) not a mainstream view. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/129 "2011-06-11T19:59:34Z")
You’re grasping at straws. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/130 "2011-06-11T20:03:19Z")
New York Times just reported he’s going to [del]resign and[/del] enter a treatment center. _Treatment center_? Seriously? He’s a douche, not a head case (and I say that as someone with mental health problems). He may–_may_–need counseling, but not institutionalization. I don’t even see the point. Does he really think this will save his career, where if he’d just resigned without entering treatment, he’d be all washed up? ETA: Sorry! I misread. He’s not resigning, but seeking a leave of absence. That makes sense. Still dumb, but it makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/131 "2011-06-11T20:04:20Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > that was a mistake on **Xema** ’s part since it’s not what Weiner is going to be judged against. You may be right. I saw that Pelosi had called for an Ethics Committee investigation of Weiner, and I assumed that would be based on the Code of Ethics. I suppose it’s also reasonable for this investigation to consider whether the Code of Conduct was violated. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/132 "2011-06-11T20:06:07Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > New York Times just reported he’s going to resign and enter a treatment center. > > _Treatment center_? Seriously? He’s a douche, not a head case (and I say that as someone with mental health problems). He may–_may_–need counseling, but not institutionalization. > > I don’t even see the point. Does he really think this will save his career, where if he’d just resigned without entering treatment, he’d be all washed up? He is NOT (yet) resigning. He is “taking a leave of absence” to enter treatment [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/nyregion/pelosi-calls-on-weiner-to-resign.html?\_r=1&hp](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/nyregion/pelosi-calls-on-weiner-to-resign.html?_r=1&hp) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/133 "2011-06-11T20:07:48Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > New York Times just reported he’s going to [del]resign and[/del] enter a treatment center. > > _Treatment center_? Seriously? He’s a douche, not a head case (and I say that as someone with mental health problems). He may–_may_–need counseling, but not institutionalization. > > I don’t even see the point. Does he really think this will save his career, where if he’d just resigned without entering treatment, he’d be all washed up? > > ETA: Sorry! I misread. He’s not resigning, but seeking a leave of absence. That makes sense. Still dumb, but it makes sense. It’s what they all do to show public penance. Tiger Woods, Linsay Lohan, Weiner, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/134 "2011-06-11T20:08:39Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You’re grasping at straws. You’ve said this many times - perhaps at some point you’ll undertake to supply evidence it’s true. If Pelosi is now calling for his resignation, and Weiner is in fact considering a leave of absence, it looks as if I may not be the one who was most indulging in straw-grasping. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/135 "2011-06-11T20:10:59Z")
> [@Xema](#): > > It’s not “loyalty to your own morals” it’s “loyalty to the highest moral principals”. You are using a partial quote, and like I already explained, it gives the wrong impression of what that line means. It does not say “Officials must be loyal to the highest moral principles.” It says they must put their loyalty to the highest moral principles and their loyalty to the country _above_ loyalty to other things. That’s not Weiner’s problem because he didn’t violate it. He did violate the part of the Congressional code that **John Mace** quoted. As far as the treatment center thing goes, it could get him out of the spotlight for a couple of days or a week. That’s probably the idea. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/136 "2011-06-11T20:20:59Z")
> [@Xema](#): > > You’ve said this many times - perhaps at some point you’ll undertake to supply evidence it’s true. You’re the one with the burden of proof. ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/137 "2011-06-11T20:23:58Z")
Ha, he’s entering a treatment center for being a horndog and a perv. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/138 "2011-06-11T20:24:33Z")
What took so long? Weiner is checking into a rehab clinic. I don’t know if it is for sex ,drug or booze. It followed Pelosi and Wasserman-Shultz asking for him to resign. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/139 "2011-06-11T20:32:50Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It isn’t a big deal. Not a single human being on the planet actually cares. This is all just political theater. What a weird thing to say. You think people don’t care about political theater? Our most important elections are largely comprised of political theater. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783/140 "2011-06-11T20:32:59Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > Ha, he’s entering a treatment center for being a horndog and a perv. The first class they take is: How Not to Send Pictures of your Shlong on Twitter 101. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-weiner-finished/584783.md?page=8)