# Is wrapping dead Islamic terrorists in pigskin and lard a good deterrent? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2002, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074 "2002-11-03T06:14:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/1 "2002-11-03T06:14:11Z")
[The Russians apparently think so](http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg110102.asp) > [@](#): > > I am fascinated by this idea of wrapping dead terrorists in pigskin and lard. This is what the Russians — who understand far better than Americans how to deter Muslim terrorists — are doing with Chechen terrorists. The idea is that some Muslims believe they cannot enter heaven if they’re wrapped in pork, which may be the other white meat here but is the unclean meat over there. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/2 "2002-11-03T06:44:55Z")
Sure. We obviously can’t deter them with prison time, since what they do usually kills them in the process. Another good technique would be to go to their family’s house, escort them outside, and make them watch as their residence is set on fire. If loved ones will be harmed by their actions, maybe they’d think about it twice. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/3 "2002-11-03T07:52:34Z")
Well, I’ve always liked the tactic Vlad the Impaler used to keep the Muslim turks from advancing on his capital… …but then again, impaling 50,000 POWs in a semicircle in front of an advancing army tends to deter pretty much ANY adversary, regardless of religious affiliation. ---
**Author:** ![Urban\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Urban\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urban_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/4 "2002-11-03T08:29:18Z")
Or maybe not. It is just as likely to enrage these people, so they become even more reckless. ---
**Author:** ![zen101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c68b51/32.png) [@zen101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zen101)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/5 "2002-11-03T08:30:36Z")
Tomales, anyone? It might not deter them, but it could inspire a new Food TV special. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/6 "2002-11-03T08:45:58Z")
Engaging in hate in response to hate is not a solution to hate. ## Tris “The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them.” ~ Albert Einstein ~ ---
**Author:** ![ruadh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@ruadh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruadh)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/7 "2002-11-03T10:20:36Z")
Oh, that’s a _great_ idea. What a way to convince moderate Muslims that a non-Muslim state can still respect their beliefs. What a way to get them on our side against the extremists. Honestly I despair of people sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/8 "2002-11-03T12:24:34Z")
Aren’t these moderate Muslims the same ones who claim that these extremists are evil, acting against Islam, don’t truly represent Islamic values, etc.? Why would they mind if such terrible people (if they really think that) get buried in so disgraceful a way? Could it be that they’re really much more concerned for their so-religionists than they are for their potential victims? ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/9 "2002-11-03T13:38:05Z")
I can just see terrorists throwing down their arms in horror. Desecrating their dead bodies? Yeah, that’s _guaranteed_ to end terrorism. It’s not like it would create _more_ hatred and _more_ martyrs, is it? Also, **Blalron** - are you seriously suggesting we murder families of terrorists? You know, the women and children who haven’t done anything? Quite apart wondering why this wouldn’t create more hatred on the terrorists’ part, I’m wondering how anyone can think this a morally acceptable action. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/10 "2002-11-03T14:00:22Z")
the soviet union had many ways of convincing people not to mess with them. i remember the use of pork products to gain information from people while alive. they also used family members against those that attempted the kidnapping of soviet citizens. i’ve thought that rather than the soviet way of using family members, one could do the following: gather the women and young children of the terrorists, bring them to the us. put them through us schools and colleges, send them to disney world every five years. i would think that getting “wish you were here” postcards from disney would inspire fear in the heart, esp. if there was an “it’s a small world” song chip. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/11 "2002-11-03T14:22:02Z")
The wisdom of this depends on whether the Chechen terrorists are motivated by hatred/anger or genuine religious extremism. I rather the suspect the former under the guise of the latter. In which case as other posters have pointed out it will only serve to inflame their hatred and aggression. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/12 "2002-11-03T15:12:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rocking chair \* > \*\*the soviet union had many ways of convincing people not to mess with them. > > i remember the use of pork products to gain information from people while alive. > \*\* Captive: I’ll never tell! Ivan: Don’t MAKE me use the sour-cream-and-salsa pork rinds! Captive: Nooooooo! Ivan: I could also slap you with a ham! ---
**Author:** ![Chez\_Guevara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@Chez\_Guevara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chez_Guevara)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/13 "2002-11-03T15:30:18Z")
What **istara** said. Anyone with a passing interest in the history of Chechnya might understand that a nation whose entire population was deported to Kazakhstan, in February 1944 by the order of Stalin, might be ever so slightly pissed off with the Russians. A third of their number died _en route_ of cold and hunger. Of course, there are more recent examples of atrocities. Stalin’s is just the most outrageous, and the Chechens have long memories. ---
**Author:** ![ruadh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@ruadh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruadh)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/14 "2002-11-03T16:18:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pseudotriton ruber ruber \* > \*\*Aren’t these moderate Muslims the same ones who claim that these extremists are evil, acting against Islam, don’t truly represent Islamic values, etc.? Why would they mind if such terrible people (if they really think that) get buried in so disgraceful a way? > > Could it be that they’re really much more concerned for their so-religionists than they are for their potential victims? \*\* For heaven’s sake PRR, the Russians are _mocking_ a belief which is a central tenet of Islam. It shouldn’t be that hard to understand why it would piss off other Muslims, irrespective of their views on the extremists’ brand of Islam. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/15 "2002-11-03T18:41:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Also, Blalron - are you seriously suggesting we murder families of terrorists? No. I’m just advocating that we seize all their assets and destroy their homes. Would this be fair? Hell No. Would it be a deterrant? Hell yes. ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/16 "2002-11-03T19:27:51Z")
I don’t think it would be a deterrent. Would you stop fighting if you were convinced you were right and your opponent destroyed your home? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/17 "2002-11-03T19:44:58Z")
Didn’t **Wildest Bill** ask this right after September 11? Do we really want to act like the Soviet Union? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/18 "2002-11-03T19:48:16Z")
First off. Does anyone have a source other the link in the op where the Russians are actually doing this? Second If they are, it dosen’t seem to be working. Then there is what Bill said > [@](#): > > \*\* > We give express charge, that in our marches through the country, > there be nothing compell’d from the villages, nothing taken but paid for, none of the French upbraided or abused in disdainful language; > for when lenity and cruelty play for a kingdom, the gentler gamester is the soonest winner. \*\* (Henry V act III scene vi) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/19 "2002-11-03T19:50:40Z")
I think I’ll just pick this up and toss it over the fence into the BBQ Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-wrapping-dead-islamic-terrorists-in-pigskin-and-lard-a-good-deterrent/135074/20 "2002-11-03T19:56:19Z")
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