Do you feel what I said was an unacceptable level of rudeness?
What about what you said to Jackknifed Juggernaut?
OMG! Deja Vu!
I had this exact conversation with my 5 year old!
Scary!
Am I a Mod? Do I set policy? Do I clarify what is acceptable and what is unacceptable in ATMB?
Or do you?
If you want to Pit me, or ban me, or whatever, then do so. We’re not talking “You did this, so I did that.” I asked a very straightforward question in my OP here, and you have been evading that question, which is solely about YOUR behavior, for several days now. I will happily discuss my own rudeness, and my own transgressions, in a separate thread. Start one. This thread is about your rudeness to me in the post #91 of the referenced thread, and whether those words are specifically prohibited outside the Pit.
As I predicted, as you’re demonstrating to my satisfaction, you are answering so far that “it all depends on context” and generally posters may not be rude in threads outside the Pit, and blablabla, meaning you can do it but I can’t. Which is pretty much what I posited at the beginning, in explaining my resistence to starting this entire conversation with you here, and why you suggested I begin such a useless conversation.
You have no understanding.
Thudlow, he’s probably a former Cubs fan.
Crickets chirping.
I guess “it’s a judgment call” is the literal translation this week of my hypothetical “it all depends on context.” Colibri gets to be rude to me whenever he chooses, and to challenge me to start a thread in ATMB if I feel I’ve been wronged, and bust my chops for a few days, evading my questions like they were dum-dum bullets, because in his judgment he wasn’t over the line, but if I ever use those exact words in a similar situation or forum, I’ve been put on notice that I’m disobeying mod instructions.
Colibri’s last post in this thread was at 11-14-2010 09:50 PM.
You didn’t respond until 11-16-10 07:50 AM.
Now you’re bitching that he hasn’t stopped by in less than a day? Unbunch those panties, prr.
No such thing has occurred.
Well, nothing has occurred at all. I’ve begun this thread, against my best judgment, asked a question, and I’ve still got no idea what the policy is in regard to telling someone that he has no understanding of the subject under discussion, or in using the word “stupid” as **Colibri **applied it to me. All I know for sure is that “it’s a judgment call,” which I could have told you going in, meaning that when a Mod wants to apply it he can, and when he doesn’t want to (as in a Mod using those locutions) he will find some judgment that says, “no real harm here, let it pass.”
I’m not trying to be obtuse, but I don’t see where (in post 91) he called you stupid. “it’s monumentally stupid” refered to your judgement, not you. Maybe I missed it. Can you directly quote or link to it??
Sorry for double post- but missed the window-
I easily see the a distinction- I am in no way a stupid person, but I’ve used really stupid judgment before. He apologized for being uncivil earlier in this thread, but since he didn’t call you stupid, I don’t see where the rule break was. Now I didn’t follow that thread closely, so I may have missed something.
Then why the patently false statement that something had?
Actually, you have gotten an answer on that - you’ve just failed to comprehend it. “Attack the post, not the poster” has been the policy forever. The fact that you’re unable to take Colibri’s attack of your post as anything other than an attack on your person is the problem.
I suggest rereading this thread several times without your self-persecution glasses on.
The problem is that I did not ask if it was okay to attack the post or the poster or the bedpost–I asked whether using those phrases that **Colibri **used is okay or not. If it’s not okay, then Colibri broke the rules, and I’m satified with that answer. If it is okay, then I will use those words freely whenever I think they’re appropriate in or out of the Pit, and I will cite this thread as my basis for thinking it’s okay to use those terms.
But instead Ive gotten a lot of deflecting nonsense, tu quoques, hijacks, etiquitte lessons, and evasions from **Colibri **and now, it seems, from his fan club. But it’s still a simple question.
Ah, I got it.
So you’re totally incapable of reading contextual clues on how to act appropriately and need a hard and fast catch-all rule.
Poster: Dick Cheney was a loveable curmudgeon.
PPR: You have no understanding of how horrible Cheney is and was. I can’t believe how stupid that idea is.
Poster: I found a lump in my scrotum, should I go to the ER?
PPR: You have no understanding of how ERs work and the appropriate actions to take when scared about your health. I can’t believe how stupid that idea is.
Same comment, totally different context, totally different level of rudeness. There can be no easily-defined rule or policy for that.
And the answer seems simple enough to me. It is not a rules violation per se however the wording used was, by Colibri’s own admission, “rude”. Therefore you may say similar things to other posters however if you used the same wording, you may or may not be asked to tone it down depending on the forum, mod, phase of the moon etc. Note though that being asked to “tone it down” does not necessarily make it a rule violation; you are seeing a dichotomy here where none exists. It is both not against the rules and also not quite in line with the desired tone of some forums.
BTW, if I was a moderator and you used this gratuitously, citing this thread every time, I’d think you were being a Jerk.
So if I’m asked to “tone it down,” and I don’t, am I violating a rule? If so, then it seems to me clear that not toning it down is a violation of the rules. Can I tell Colibri, posting outside of his official Moderator function, to tone it down and, if he does not, can I sanction him in some way? He was taunting me that he had broken no rule, and challenged me to take it up here if I felt he had. I’ve gotten him to admit to being rude, and he has stated that rudeness is unacceptable but I’m totally unclear whether he had violated a rule. Hypothetically, if a non-Mod had posted what he had, and **Colibri **were responding to my complaint, would he have rebuked, warned, scolded that poster? Or would his answer depend on whether he agreed with the substance of the poster’s ideas?
I very much suspect that was the single most important factor here, thast **Colibri **was vehemently disagreeing with me, that allowed him to address me in a way that was against the rules.
You can’t have a rule that only applies sometimes, to certain posters, if a Mod is especially ticked off, and expect to have your rule respected.
As to your BTW, if I got permission to state that posters had no understanding of the subject, I would be a jerk for using that phrase where appropriate and citing the ATMB for my authority? I thought that was what ATMB was for, to clarify practices that are allowed and those that are prohibited.
No you don’t. However, you are complaining about board policy, so it’s fair to ask you what you think board policy actually should be.
And your complaint seems inconsistent with your behavior. I’m not sure what you feel board policy should be:
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Posters should be allowed to be rude to one another. Therefore your remarks to Jackknifed Juggernaut were OK. However, this would seem to be inconsistent with your objecting to my post.
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Posters should be civil to one another. If this is so, then your objection to my post is reasonable. However, it does not explain why you felt free to insult Jackknifed Juggernaut, or when it was pointed out, to refuse to apologize to him.
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You should be allowed to insult other posters, but other posters should not be allowed to be rude to you. This seems to be the most accurate summary of your position in this thread.
Several of the other posters have also pointed out failures in your logic.
Everybody who disagrees with you is in my fan club? My my. Thanks for the information. I had no idea my fan club was so large.
Since you don’t seem to be getting the concept here, and are asking for guidance, I’m going to make this a moderator instruction:
[Moderator Instruction]
You, pseudotriton ruber ruber, are instructed to be civil to other posters on this board in any forum on this board outside the Pit. Failure to abide by this may result in a warning or suspension. Determination of whether or not you are behaving in a civil manner will be at the discretion of the staff.
The basis for this instruction is in the Registration Agreement that you agreed to when you became a member of the board:
To forestall any accusation that I am retaliating against you, I am recusing myself from any enforcement of this instruction against you. It will be up to other moderators to decide in what circumstances to enforce it.
I hope this is clear enough for you.
Well I believe that disobeying mod instructions is violating the rules, so even though the tone you use may not be against the rules per se, you still have to follow mod instructions and failure to follow those instructions would be violating the “follow instructions” rule.
I used “gratuitously” for a reason.
To be needlessly provocative, you mean?
I was never discussing use of either term other than “where appropriate,” but you managed to introduce --entirely gratiuitously-- a completely separate issue. Thans so much for your contribution.
Well I don’t know you and I don’t know how you intend to use it. I said “gratuitously” because I wanted to specify exactly what I was talking about and to offer an example of how you could post something that is not specifically against the rules but could still be, on the whole, acting like a jerk and therefore violating the golden rule. I wasn’t suggesting you were actually going to do this.
Actually, in my reading, just the opposite.