# ISIS captures Ramadi...now what? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 18, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328 "2015-05-18T21:30:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/181 "2015-05-29T07:39:30Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I suspect that Bagdad will fall and ISIS will continue to murder hundreds of thousands more. SSDD. I’m sorry, but this is dumb as a rock. ISIS is going to defeat the interests of Iran, Hezbollah and Putin’s Russia? Got to ask you to go stand with John McCain in the corner. Somehow the President of the USA has managed to align the interests of his nation with the murderous, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, child-murdering Assad. Just as well he can huff and puff but has next to zero influence over events. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/182 "2015-05-29T09:29:54Z")
[**McCain Urges Military Strikes Against FIFA**](http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mccain-urges-military-strikes-against-fifa?mbid=social_facebook) > [@](#): > > Calling the Obama Administration’s actions against the soccer organization “weak and ineffective,” Senator John McCain on Thursday proposed military action to “dismantle and destroy FIFA once and for all.” > > “These are people who only understand one thing: force,” McCain said on the floor of the United States Senate. “We must make FIFA taste the vengeful might and fury of the United States military.” Perfect. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/183 "2015-05-29T13:38:11Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Neville Chamberlain’s policy of appeasement was a misguided effort to allow Hitler to take little pieces of Europe in the hope that Hitler would eventually be satisfied, and not attempt to take large pieces, or all, of Europe. Neville guessed wrong. > > Chamberlain conceded the Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia to Germany. Chamberlain had no such authority. He didn’t represent Czechoslovakia. He promised Hitler that G.B. wouldn’t fight for Czechoslovakia’s freedom. > > Hitler responded by making a non-aggression pact with Stalin, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, and then invaded Poland. (Stalin invaded Poland 17 days later but G.B. and France didn’t bother to declare war on Russia???). > > Prior to this, Chamberlain had opened direct talks with Italy, after Italy had invaded and conquered Ethiopia. Fuck them Ethiopians, what did they ever do for Chamberlain’s Britain? > > Austrians received the same appeasement. Hitler wants Austria, so let him have it. Chamberlain did sent Hitler a strongly worded letter condemning this action. > > Hitler had no reason to respect Chamberlain, or Chamberlain’s position. Hitler said, “Jump” and Chamberlain replied, “How high”. Chamberlain’s appeasement bought us time. He has, with hindsight, been judged as weak, but Britain wasn’t really geared up for a war in 1939 (although a chap called Churchill had been predicting it for a few years). We had no obligation to interfere in the Sudetanland, an ethnically German area of the then Czechoslovakia. We didn’t have the resources to fight the Nazis and, to be honest, it was only the 21 mile stretch of water between Dover and Calais which saved us. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/184 "2015-05-29T13:53:16Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Well, there is all that oil stuff… Largely correct…the ME is a region of almost NO economic importance (except for oil). (Tiny) Israel produces more than all of the surrounding countries put together; as long as the ethic/religious hatreds embroil the region, outside forces should stay out. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/185 "2015-05-29T14:16:24Z")
> [@rock\_party](#): > > Then what’s with the RW, Fox news drumbeat of “Obama’s not doing enough!” That he’s some waffling panty-waist who’s too timid to react and get the job done. What do you say to these calls of MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE!! and they’re constantly saying it can’t be won without troops on the ground, yet they stop short before saying we should actually PUT troops on the ground. > > Just political horseshit as usual? I don’t know who, specifically, you are talking about, but the most vocal on the right are McCain and Graham, and I know that Graham has talked about 10k or 20k “boots on the grounds” to work with the Iraqi forces and help with targeting. I’m not defending that or agreeing with it, just noting that a rant against “RW, Fox News” is hard to pin down and it’s best to argue about specific individuals and what they do or do not say. ETA: [Link](http://thehill.com/policy/defense/231392-graham-10k-us-boots-on-the-ground-needed-to-stop-isis) ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/186 "2015-05-29T14:43:23Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > Chamberlain’s appeasement bought us time. He has, with hindsight, been judged as weak, but Britain wasn’t really geared up for a war in 1939 (although a chap called Churchill had been predicting it for a few years). We had no obligation to interfere in the Sudetanland, an ethnically German area of the then Czechoslovakia. We didn’t have the resources to fight the Nazis and, to be honest, it was only the 21 mile stretch of water between Dover and Calais which saved us. Not to mention that it’s a logical leap to assume that the outcome of the Sudetenland crisis made it inevitable that Hitler would invade Poland. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/187 "2015-05-29T14:46:11Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > [**McCain Urges Military Strikes Against FIFA**](http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mccain-urges-military-strikes-against-fifa?mbid=social_facebook) > Perfect. :smack: Did you actually read the whole “New Yorker” humor page? \*Get news satire from The Borowitz Report delivered to your inbox. Get news satire from The Borowtiz Report delivered to your inbox. Get news satire from The Borowtiz Report delivered to your inbox. Andy Borowitz is a New York Times best-selling author and a comedian who has written for The New Yorker since 1998. He writes the Borowitz Report for [newyorker.com](http://newyorker.com).\* ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/188 "2015-05-29T14:49:08Z")
Everybody knows it’s satire, twit. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/189 "2015-05-29T14:52:28Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > …Somehow the President of the USA has managed to align the interests of his nation with the murderous, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, child-murdering Assad. Just as well he can huff and puff but has next to zero influence over events. (post shortened) The President of the USA has aligned himself with his own self-interest, not with the murderous, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, child-murdering Assad. I do agree that Obama has next to zero influence over events. No one expects him to provide leadership in the area. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/190 "2015-05-29T14:58:52Z")
> [@XT](#): > > I disagree that we are doing to much now. I think Obama is taking the right tact on this. We are providing air support to forces engaged on the ground and probably some training and intelligence, and that’s pretty much it. I don’t have a problem with us providing air support, training, and intelligence. Where IMHO Obama made a bad unforced error was in setting the mission to “degrade and _ultimately destroy_” ISIS. What if our regional partners prove incapable of doing this, and it emerges that the “destroy” part can’t be done without a major escalation of US involvement? In that case we either have to walk back the commitment Obama made or find ourselves roped into what would likely turn into a major quagmire. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/191 "2015-05-29T14:59:30Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Everybody knows it’s satire, twit. I wasn’t aware that you believed you spoke for everybody. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/192 "2015-05-29T18:10:13Z")
In this case, he does. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/193 "2015-05-29T19:07:44Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > In this case, he does. I wasn’t aware that you believed, he believes, he speaks for everybody. That’s good to know. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/194 "2015-05-29T20:35:08Z")
The clue was in the title: ‘McCain Urges Military Strikes Against FIFA’ FIFA? ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/195 "2015-05-29T21:57:38Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Everybody knows it’s satire,. > [@](#): > > I wasn’t aware that you believed you spoke for everybody Hint: before clicking a link, always do a mouse-over, and see where it goes. In this case, everybody can see that the link clearly goes to " something-dot-com-slash HUMOR…" ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/196 "2015-05-29T22:04:42Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Everybody knows it’s satire, twit. Come on. This is a Warning to avoid direct name-calling in this forum. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/197 "2015-05-29T23:59:12Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > The President of the USA has aligned himself with his own self-interest, … Which is what, exactly? You know, in your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/198 "2015-05-30T17:39:33Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > Not to mention that it’s a logical leap to assume that the outcome of the Sudetenland crisis made it inevitable that Hitler would invade Poland. Britain and France both had an obligation to Poland, which led us into the war sooner than would have suited us. Again, the pretext for the invasion was to protect ethnically German Poles. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/199 "2015-05-30T22:20:57Z")
(post provided for historical reference) > [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > [**McCain Urges Military Strikes Against FIFA**](http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mccain-urges-military-strikes-against-fifa?mbid=social_facebook) > > Perfect. (Also provided for historical reference) > [@doorhinge](#): > > :smack: Did you actually read the whole “New Yorker” humor page? > > \*Get news satire from The Borowitz Report delivered to your inbox. > > Get news satire from The Borowtiz Report delivered to your inbox. Get news satire from The Borowtiz Report delivered to your inbox. > > Andy Borowitz is a New York Times best-selling author and a comedian who has written for The New Yorker since 1998. He writes the Borowitz Report for [newyorker.com](http://newyorker.com).\* > [@chappachula](#): > > Hint: before clicking a link, always do a mouse-over, and see where it goes. > In this case, everybody can see that the link clearly goes to " something-dot-com-slash HUMOR…" I’ll take your word for it. Since you clearly believe you speak for everybody. 🙂 I pointed out that the linked article was “satire”. Just in case **up\_the\_junction** , or EvErYbOdY else hadn’t noticed that the article was “satire”. (I think I’m beginning to like this claiming-to-speak-for-everybody gimmick. It sounds so empowering. Slightly pompous, but still, oh soooo empowering.) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328/200 "2015-05-31T02:22:11Z")
You are being ridiculous and really assuming the absolute worst stupidity of everyone in here by feeling the need to point out McCain isn’t actually calling for the bombing of soccer officials. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-captures-ramadi-now-what/720328.md?page=11)