# ISIS in the Middle East is growing **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 10, 2014, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-in-the-middle-east-is-growing/690473 "2014-06-10T14:45:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 117
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-in-the-middle-east-is-growing/690473/117 "2014-06-20T01:57:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I gave 3 choices, although I suppose the 3rd choice would still technically be a lie. But it would be a political lie, which politicians sometimes have to do. There are only two: > [@Why the US left Iraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-us-left-iraq/690750/36): > > Missed the edit window: > > I think **puddlegum’s** summary is a good one. There were folks in the administration in favor of hard negotiations with the Iraqis to keep some troops there and folks against. Personally, I was against it. But Obama told us all that he was pulling everyone out and that he was leaving a stable and capable Iraqi Defense Force behind. So, he either lied to us or didn’t know what he was talking about. Now he’s getting criticized. Well, too bad. That comes with the territory. These are the only two choices you offered: (“But Obama told us all that he was pulling everyone out and that he was leaving a stable and capable Iraqi Defense Force behind. So, **he either lied to us or didn’t know what he was talking**.”)i --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-in-the-middle-east-is-growing/690473)._