# ISIS in the Middle East is growing **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 10, 2014, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-in-the-middle-east-is-growing/690473 "2014-06-10T14:45:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 122
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-in-the-middle-east-is-growing/690473/122 "2014-06-20T04:35:02Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That wasn’t the only post I made in that thread. You did not offer a third choice here either: > [@Why the US left Iraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-the-us-left-iraq/690750/40): > > Now, I expect Obama knew as well as most of us did that Iraq was not “stable”. Politically, he had to say they were. You actually reduced it to one choice. Here Obama wasn’t clueless to the reality of instabiliity. He had to know the truth but lied for political reasons. What you are forgetting is that a soverign Iraq did not want US troops there beyond 2011. The exit date was negotiated by Bush not him. Obama had no political motivation to lie about Iraq’s stability at that point in time. He said they had challenges ahead and no one should dispute that. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-in-the-middle-east-is-growing/690473)._