# ISIS publishes Names and Addresses of 100 military personnel.. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 22, 2015, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660 "2015-03-22T04:14:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/21 "2015-03-22T21:42:46Z")
The Military is notifying and warning serviceman to take precautions. > **[Purported ISIS Group Posts Personal Details of 100 U.S. Military Service Members](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/purported-isis-group-posts-personal-details-100-us/story?id=29811503)** The same ABC article reports that Special Forces are being pulled from Yemen because its too dangerous. [CNN has the same report.](http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/21/politics/yemen-unrest/) ISIS just continues to grow and get more far reaching. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/22 "2015-03-23T00:18:49Z")
Just as a factual matter, ISIL has nothing to do with the problems in Yemen. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/23 "2015-03-23T00:31:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Saw this online earlier. > > "The answer to destroying ISIS: DELTA FORCE, GREEN BERETS, SEALS, FORCE RECON, AIRFORCE SPECIAL OPS… > > EQUIP THEM, TAKE THE GLOVES OFF, WATCH ISIS DIE." > > -CHARLIE DANIELS > > Never happen, and would take more than these relatively small units to make it happen in the first place, but ol’ Charlie’s got the right idea. Yes, certainly when I’m looking for a cogent discussion of military strategy, the first person I turn to is an over-the-hill musician. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/24 "2015-03-23T01:23:47Z")
Well, they sure are trying whatever they can to push our buttons. They are practically sending is engraved invitations. Real life Americans to fight would be a pretty big victory for them. I’m not sure what the best way to deal with them is, but I hope we think strategically rather than letting them manipulate us. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/25 "2015-03-23T03:34:13Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Didn’t take long. They hacked the military computers just a few months ago. This could get really personal and dangerously out of control quick. If any of these men or their families are murdered. The blacklash will make 9/11 look like a cake walk. The anger and fury across this country will demand action. Good luck with that. > [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m not sure what the solution is. Base Housing was in short supply when my dad served. They can’t just move these 100 families onto bases. Housing would have to be built. They can bring in mobile homes on any level needed. Not much of a logistical problem. but again, good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/26 "2015-03-23T05:56:12Z")
My family and I visited the base on Ft. Leavenworth last week. We went to see the museum and some other sites. Security is TIGHT. My wife and I and anyone in the car over age 16 had to show ID and go thru a background check. Also title and insurance for the car. The one loophole, if anyone in the car has a military id, even ifs a 70 year old veteran, the whole car gets in no questions asked. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/27 "2015-03-23T08:11:27Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Imagine your name and family’s address distributed through the terror network. The pucker factor goes right through the roof. Home is the one safe place military personnel return to after deployment. No matter how bad it gets they look forward to getting home. For that to be threatened in any way… Is just not acceptable. That is ridiculous. Such is war. To expect an enemy not to act like an enemy is inane. ISIS probably has no real plan to attack the US Servicemen in their homes. Their purpose here is to spread fear. In that (as this thread and the quoted post demonstrate) they have succeeded. Increased security hassels in bases, causing disruption in family life and worry for deployed individuals, thats quite bad enough. The IRA used to do something similar. ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/28 "2015-03-23T09:46:44Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Can daesh even be wiped out? I thought it was like Al Qaeda, which is spread out. Apparently, Americans still think you can defeat insurgencies by bombing the shit out of everything. Hence, all the chest-thumping in this thread. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/29 "2015-03-23T09:52:17Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > The amazing thing is that there are many 10 of thousands of voting age citizens who think this country deserves this and those who kill the women & kids are just getting justice. > > Not many of these people are currently associated with the military I would think. > > I may be wrong but the screed all over the net says to me that their are a whole lot of US citizens are actively want & trying tio help Could you link me to this “screed” that is “all over the net”? Any evidence at all of a whole lot of US citizens actively wanting or trying to help ISIS? I haven’t seen a hint of any of this. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/30 "2015-03-23T10:03:07Z")
I wonder which list more more accurate: the ISIS list or the drone targeting lists the US has been using for the last decade or so? ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/31 "2015-03-23T10:53:38Z")
Their purpose is to get us to start a ground war. They’ve been begging us for a while with all the YouTube antics. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/32 "2015-03-23T14:57:11Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > Apparently, Americans still think you can defeat insurgencies by bombing the shit out of everything. Hence, all the chest-thumping in this thread. :rolleyes: I’m more worried about the ground war that is suddenly popular in Congress. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/33 "2015-03-23T15:09:21Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > ISIS needs to be exterminated on the battlefield. Everywhere ISIS fights. In towns, on fields, in the mountains, in every computer hacking center. Death to ISIS. > > I wonder what Obama is waiting for? He’s bombing the crap out of them, and organizing Arab opposition. As the father of three draft-age children (all boys, FWIW), I think that’s plenty. ISIS is not an existential threat to the US. The neo-cons notwithstanding, there is no reason (currently) for the US to commit ground troops. And the murder of some subset of the listed names wouldn’t change that. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/34 "2015-03-23T15:39:32Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > He’s bombing the crap out of them, and organizing Arab opposition. > > As the father of three draft-age children (all boys, FWIW), I think that’s plenty. ISIS is not an existential threat to the US. > > The neo-cons notwithstanding, there is no reason (currently) for the US to commit ground troops. And the murder of some subset of the listed names wouldn’t change that. ISIS is advancing and still holds cities and towns. Other mass-murdering, terrorist groups are claiming allegiance to ISIS. If Obama were truly bombing _the crap_ out of them, ISIS would hold less territory. You might want to tell Obama to increase the number of sorties, and cruise missile launches. Is the Arab opposition actually following Obama’s leadership? ---
**Author:** ![Jimson\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/838e76/32.png) [@Jimson\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimson_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/35 "2015-03-23T15:58:42Z")
I love how folks with nothing to lose and likely no experience in uniform casually suggest we invade a sizable chunk of the middle east again. We just spent [$1,700,000,000,000](http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314) and lost over 6,700 service members in a war we certainly didn’t win. The actions we took as a country have made us and the rest of the world less secure because they destabilized the region and left the area with a massive power vacuum. That vacuum is being filed by ISIL. The problem is that to address this issue with force will be been seen by many as a war on Islam. This would all but insure that hundreds of thousands if not millions of men and women in the area would join ISIL if only to stand with other Muslims against “the armies of Rome”. [The Atlantic published a solid primer on ISIL.](http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/??ftcamp=crm/email/_DATEYEARFULLNUM ___DATEMONTHNUM___ DATEDAYNUM__/nbe/FirstFTEurope/product) In order to win this war we would need to invade and wage war in a way we have been unable to perfect because this would turn into another insurgency war. ISIL wouldn’t’ stand toe to toe but for the first few engagements. And we would be back in the same place we were in Afghanistan only over a much larger area. Lets not forget that sections of other countries may also be under ISIL control. And what of the possibility that entire Muslim countries may stand with ISIL as fellow Muslims. What if Saudi Arabia or Turkey (a nuclear power) see a massive invasion as a war on Islam. How would Russia react to a massive NATO presence so close to it’s boarders. They just threatened Finland. There is small possibility this could grow. So we over come all this, invade, win and quell the insurgency. Then what? We can’t just leave again. We stayed in Afghanistan and Irag for nearly a decade and didn’t leave them with any kind of stable government. So knowing we can’t just instantly install a democracy we would set up a puppet government that had the military might to ruthlessly keep control of the area. It would likely fall out on clan or sect lines as it has. The party in power all but completely subjugating groups, sects or clans. We’ve done this in the past. It works until there is a revolution or coup or the man at the top is assassinated. It would be a testament to irony. We invaded a dictators lands deposed him only to return 20 years later to install a dictator to keep the area in control. This plan is short sighted and stupid and really doesn’t have a very high chance of success in addition to the fact that we’d be partners in would could be genocide. The other alternative is to occupy the area for at least a generation. ISIL and it’s objectives need to pass from living memory. We would need to institute an 50-80 year occupation plan that takes control of the entire area. Over the course of the occupation, the natural resources of the area would need to harvested to pay for the cost of the occupation and the rest would be re-invested into the area to create a thriving economy and modern structure with roads, schools, infrastructure. Forgien investment would need to be courted. Gradually democratic elections would be introduced along with societal reforms that support equality between men and women and a government of law not religion. Reading this I think that 80 years could be a bit optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/36 "2015-03-23T16:08:26Z")
Over the short term, it would be nice if the US got over its hard-on for Assad, arm him and let him retake his country. He could theoretically institute some reforms we like, once things are stable. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/37 "2015-03-23T16:24:37Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > Apparently, Americans still think you can defeat insurgencies by bombing the shit out of everything. Hence, all the chest-thumping in this thread. :rolleyes: It didn’t work all the other times, but I think we’re due. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/38 "2015-03-23T16:54:56Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > ISIS probably has no real plan to attack the US Servicemen in their homes. These people are probably in more danger whenever they get into the car to drive to the store than a proxy ISIS attack. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/39 "2015-03-23T17:04:10Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > These people are probably in more danger whenever they get into the car to drive to the store than a proxy ISIS attack. As are everyone. Examples like this thread are pretty strong evidence that people have a really hard time accurately assessing risk. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660/40 "2015-03-23T17:24:01Z")
> [@Jimson\_Jim](#): > > I love how folks with nothing to lose and likely no experience in uniform casually suggest we invade a sizable chunk of the middle east again. We just spent [$1,700,000,000,000](http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314) and lost over 6,700 service members in a war we certainly didn’t win. The actions we took as a country have made us and the rest of the world less secure because they destabilized the region and left the area with a massive power vacuum. That vacuum is being filed by ISIL. The problem is that to address this issue with force will be been seen by many as a war on Islam. This would all but insure that hundreds of thousands if not millions of men and women in the area would join ISIL if only to stand with other Muslims against “the armies of Rome”. [The Atlantic published a solid primer on ISIL.](http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/??ftcamp=crm/email/_DATEYEARFULLNUM ___DATEMONTHNUM___ DATEDAYNUM__/nbe/FirstFTEurope/product) > > In order to win this war we would need to invade and wage war in a way we have been unable to perfect because this would turn into another insurgency war. ISIL wouldn’t’ stand toe to toe but for the first few engagements. And we would be back in the same place we were in Afghanistan only over a much larger area. Lets not forget that sections of other countries may also be under ISIL control. And what of the possibility that entire Muslim countries may stand with ISIL as fellow Muslims. What if Saudi Arabia or Turkey (a nuclear power) see a massive invasion as a war on Islam. How would Russia react to a massive NATO presence so close to it’s boarders. They just threatened Finland. There is small possibility this could grow. > > So we over come all this, invade, win and quell the insurgency. Then what? We can’t just leave again. We stayed in Afghanistan and Irag for nearly a decade and didn’t leave them with any kind of stable government. So knowing we can’t just instantly install a democracy we would set up a puppet government that had the military might to ruthlessly keep control of the area. It would likely fall out on clan or sect lines as it has. The party in power all but completely subjugating groups, sects or clans. We’ve done this in the past. It works until there is a revolution or coup or the man at the top is assassinated. It would be a testament to irony. We invaded a dictators lands deposed him only to return 20 years later to install a dictator to keep the area in control. This plan is short sighted and stupid and really doesn’t have a very high chance of success in addition to the fact that we’d be partners in would could be genocide. > > The other alternative is to occupy the area for at least a generation. ISIL and it’s objectives need to pass from living memory. We would need to institute an 50-80 year occupation plan that takes control of the entire area. Over the course of the occupation, the natural resources of the area would need to harvested to pay for the cost of the occupation and the rest would be re-invested into the area to create a thriving economy and modern structure with roads, schools, infrastructure. Forgien investment would need to be courted. Gradually democratic elections would be introduced along with societal reforms that support equality between men and women and a government of law not religion. Reading this I think that 80 years could be a bit optimistic. So, are you implying that Charlie Daniels didn’t think things through? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-publishes-names-and-addresses-of-100-military-personnel/715660.md?page=3)