# ISIS want mass theocide ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 30, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050 "2015-09-30T16:22:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/1 "2015-09-30T16:22:02Z")
[Not sure if this is great debate or general question] “4.) ISIS ISN’T JUST AIMING AT CONQUERING THE MIDDLE EAST AND, EVENTUALLY, THE REST OF THE WORLD. RATHER, THEY WANT THE LARGEST “RELIGOUS CLEANSING” IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. With the exception of the so-called “religions of the book” – that is, ISIS’ version of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity – ISIS wants to kill non-believers and apostates and enslave their women and children. This means that all of the Shiites, Yazidis, Hindus, Atheists and Polytheists are supposed to die, and that hundreds of millions of people would be eliminated in the course of this “ethnic cleansing”. Additionally, all of the moderate Muslims approving of democracy are supposed to be killed, as they – from ISIS’ point of view – put human laws above God’s laws. Upon successful conquest of the West, this would also apply to democratically-minded Muslims here.” [http://juergentodenhoefer.de/seven-impressions-of-a-difficult-journey/?lang=en](http://juergentodenhoefer.de/seven-impressions-of-a-difficult-journey/?lang=en) Is there any corroboration of this ? ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/2 "2015-09-30T16:26:55Z")
And I want a pony. The “hundreds of millions of people” is a bit stange though. Certainly we’re talking billions. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/3 "2015-09-30T17:19:38Z")
If ISIS was offered the opportunity to take over the world, and forcibly convert everyone to their sect, I’m sure they wouldn’t turn it down, and that may be their eventual long range goals, but in their short to medium term they will probably be satisfied with uniting all of the countries in the middle east region and northern Africa, under a single united Muslim Caliphate following their specific interpretation of the Koran. For right now their interest in the United States for the most part is only to the extent that we interfere with their local goals. Not that this is a good idea, but if we stopped fighting them over there (and also stopped supporting their opponents such as Israel and Saudi Arabia) then it is unlikely that they would fight us here. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/4 "2015-09-30T17:21:29Z")
Wouldn’t the term “theocide” indicate that they intend to actually kill a god, rather than simply killing the followers of a religion? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/5 "2015-09-30T18:11:07Z")
I thought they were aiming for a caliphate, no borders, no lines, no countries as such. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/6 "2015-09-30T18:14:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Wouldn’t the term “theocide” indicate that they intend to actually kill a god, rather than simply killing the followers of a religion? That’s [“deicide”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deicide). ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/7 "2015-09-30T18:31:53Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > If ISIS was offered the opportunity to take over the world, and forcibly convert everyone to their sect, I’m sure they wouldn’t turn it down, and that may be their eventual long range goals, but in their short to medium term they will probably be satisfied with uniting all of the countries in the middle east region and northern Africa, under a single united Muslim Caliphate following their specific interpretation of the Koran. For right now their interest in the United States for the most part is only to the extent that we interfere with their local goals. > > Not that this is a good idea, but if we stopped fighting them over there (and also stopped supporting their opponents such as Israel and Saudi Arabia) then it is unlikely that they would fight us here. Not that I entirely disagree with you, but if they achieve their short/medium term goals, what’s stopping them from pursuing their long term goals? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/8 "2015-09-30T19:11:57Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Wouldn’t the term “theocide” indicate that they intend to actually kill a god, rather than simply killing the followers of a religion? They want to kill Vincent Van Gogh’s brother. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/9 "2015-09-30T19:18:59Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Is there any corroboration of this ? Yes. It’s called the [Koran. Or Quran.](http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm) ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/10 "2015-09-30T19:43:47Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > ISIS want mass theocide ? (post shortened) What does the word theocide mean? ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/11 "2015-09-30T20:19:56Z")
I entered this thread hoping they would all kill themselves. I can still hope, can’t I? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/12 "2015-09-30T20:20:21Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Yes. It’s called the [Koran. Or Quran.](http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm) You’re thinking of that 80s band: Koran Koran. Very popular in Saudi Arabia. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/13 "2015-09-30T20:27:56Z")
That was Druze (Not Druze) ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/14 "2015-09-30T20:35:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Wouldn’t the term “theocide” indicate that they intend to actually kill a god, rather than simply killing the followers of a religion? Yeah it was too late to edit when I realised that wasn’t the word I wanted. I didn’t want “genocide” as it’s a word with broad meaning, but couldn’t think of any other off hand. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/15 "2015-09-30T20:41:52Z")
You thought genocide had too broad meaning to deal with “kill everyone that doesn’t’ subscribe to an Abrahamic worldview?” ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/16 "2015-09-30T20:51:09Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Not that I entirely disagree with you, but if they achieve their short/medium term goals, what’s stopping them from pursuing their long term goals? “We’d like to kill everyone” is a pretty good way to get everyone to want to kill you? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/17 "2015-09-30T20:53:10Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You’re thinking of that 80s band: Koran Koran. Very popular in Saudi Arabia. Didn’t they sing that song that goes ‘Oh Riyadh, Riyadh’? ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/18 "2015-09-30T21:01:37Z")
You’re thinking of “Don’t worry, be Hadji” ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/19 "2015-09-30T21:07:38Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > You’re thinking of “Don’t worry, be Hadji” I thought that was the closing song for Jonny Quest. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050/20 "2015-09-30T21:42:30Z")
They’re an Apocalyptic organization. They claim at least to believe that they are helping bring around the End Times. Of course, different prophecies and version of God than the American apocalyptics (ie, the radical ‘Christian’ Right, who support Israel for pretty much the same exact 'bring about the End Times reasoning), but same game. They’re just more serious about it than the Shout In Your Face (but then go have a beer) lazy assed Americans. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/isis-want-mass-theocide/733050.md?page=2)