# Islam cannot coexist with a peaceful world. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 28, 2011, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000 "2011-04-28T05:54:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sablicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Sablicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sablicious)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/1 "2011-04-28T05:54:33Z")
Islam is the only true ‘way’ and all beliefs are effectively heresy that challenge / corrupt Islam itself; thus classified as blaspemy, punishable by, what’s more often than not, a barabrous death. [Members of an Indonesian minority Muslim sect bludgeoned to death by hardline Islamists.](http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/about/id/601076/n/Islam-s-Deadly-Divide) So given Islam (‘submission’) does not tolerate so much as mere deviations from even its own belief system; what does this say of its regard for those of fundamentally different religious denominations, even athiests? How can the irrefutably intolerant nature of Islam, for anything that fails to conform lockstep with its pedantic precepts, ever be reconciled with a peace-loving society where human beings will naturally differ in opinion, and are encouraged to do so? How is this possible when the religious doctrine’s core constituent is to either assimilate or destroy all that fails to fall in line with its ideals? That is to say, if even moderate Muslims are in the firing line, as has been clearly evinced here; what chance do the rest us have? Is there really even a ‘moderate’ form of Islam at all? Or is this just another form of non-committal balsphemy in fundamentalists’ eyes that, ultimately, would end in expungement in a Sharia governed world? =/ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/2 "2011-04-28T06:03:34Z")
So, one group of hardline Muslims targets a more moderate group for violence, and it’s the hardline group’s actions that are considered definitive of the religion as a whole? How the fuck does that sort of logic work? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/3 "2011-04-28T06:24:42Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, one group of hardline Muslims targets a more moderate group for violence, and it’s the hardline group’s actions that are considered definitive of the religion as a whole? How the fuck does that sort of logic work? An entire nation of Muslims went apeshit and killed dozens of people because of the opinion and actions of one man 8000 miles away. A handful of hardliners took down the WTC buildings, attacked the Pentagon and almost succeeded in attacking the seat of political power. There is no logic behind it, just blind hatred sufficient to make believers WANT to kill themselves to further their cause. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/4 "2011-04-28T06:29:28Z")
Oh hey, it had been so long since we didn’t have a gratuitous Muslim-bashing thread. And \*\*Magiver \*\*is already here, too ! This is going to be so very original and interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/5 "2011-04-28T06:33:11Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > An entire nation of Muslims went apeshit and killed dozens of people because of the opinion and actions of one man 8000 miles away. A handful of hardliners took down the WTC buildings, attacked the Pentagon and almost succeeded in attacking the seat of political power. There is no logic behind it, just blind hatred sufficient to make believers WANT to kill themselves to further their cause. Did you bother to actually read my post before you responded to it? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/6 "2011-04-28T06:37:17Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > **An entire nation** of Muslims went apeshit and killed dozens of people because of the opinion and actions of one man 8000 miles away. Could this, possibly, be just a teensy weensy bit of an exaggeration? What really sucks about these threads - apart from the blind intolerance - is the yawning lack of logic in their premises. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/7 "2011-04-28T07:26:24Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > An entire nation of Muslims went apeshit and killed dozens of people . . . . Only in your imagination, of course. Factually: a number of people in one city in one nation staged a demonstration against the idiot Florida pastor. The demonstrators were joined by armed members of the Taliban who specifically set out to attack foreigners, killing seven of them. The other thirteen people who died that day were a mix of security guards and protestors, (or attacking Taliban), who were killed by the security guards. In other words, a band of terrorists joined a demonstration and used it as a cover to launch a terrorist attack that resulted in 20, (not “dozens of”), deaths. One may consider the protest, itself, to be an overreaction to the nonsense of one individual, but describing that as “an entire nation . . . went apeshit” is pretty much intellectually placing oneself alongside the overreacting demonstrators, (not the terrorists), and chanting the same sort of xenophobic nonsense in which the larger group engaged. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/8 "2011-04-28T08:29:15Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > An entire nation of Muslims went apeshit and killed dozens of people because of the opinion and actions of one man 8000 miles away. A nation of mostly Christians went apeshit and killed more than 100,000 Iraqis because of the action of a few men thousands of miles away. Guess that proves that Christianity is at least 10,000 times as evil as Islam, using your logic. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/9 "2011-04-28T08:33:42Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Oh hey, it had been so long since we didn’t have a gratuitous Muslim-bashing thread. And \*\*Magiver \*\*is already here, too ! Yes. There’s always a fresh batch of radical Islamic murders to talk about. First a disclaimer must be made that it was done by radical Muslims. It’s a cultural thing that only happens in [del]Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia, Spain, The United States, Malaysia, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, England, France, Germany, the Philippines,[/del] Indonesia. It’s a complete misinterpretation of Mohammad’s methods of dealing with blasphemy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/10 "2011-04-28T08:50:41Z")
I for one would welcome our new Muslim overlords if it would stop these asinine threads. ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/11 "2011-04-28T09:06:52Z")
Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/12 "2011-04-28T09:21:57Z")
There are a couple of Muslims in my office. They haven’t detonated even once. The majority of Muslims I’ve met and actually had conversations with have been moderates, and completely capable of co-existing peacefully. Extremists of any ilk are dangerous, as they believe anyone who doesn’t follow their credo doesn’t have any rights. Conflating one group with the other is sheer bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/13 "2011-04-28T09:24:50Z")
Exactly. And I haven’t killed anyone in at least three weeks. See? Totally moderate. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/14 "2011-04-28T09:27:39Z")
> [@Bibliovore](#): > > Exactly. And I haven’t killed anyone in at least three weeks. See? Totally moderate. I knew you were one of the good ones. How’s the family, by the way? ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/15 "2011-04-28T09:32:12Z")
Thanks. I \*try \*to reign in the unreasoning religious hatred of all godforsaken infidels and to the ignore the urge to smite them with furious vengeance wherever I find them, but some days are tougher than others, ya know? As for the family, the ones in the UK are all fine, thanks. The ones in Libya - not so much. How’s yours? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/16 "2011-04-28T09:41:53Z")
The daughter is two years old now, so naturally she is incapable of co-existing with a peaceful house. Apart from that, we’re good. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/17 "2011-04-28T09:47:36Z")
Where’s a peaceful world again? ::looks under desk:: ---
**Author:** ![Bibliovore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bibliovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bibliovore)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/18 "2011-04-28T09:49:23Z")
Great stuff. My 4 year-old has just learned how to reliably field-strip his first AK47 and his little brother is always playing with his “My Li’l Bomma” suicide vest. They’re so cute at that age! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/19 "2011-04-28T10:54:42Z")
Let us assume for a moment that the OP is entirely correct, and that Islam in any form is incompatible with world peace. What is the solution? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000/20 "2011-04-28T10:56:26Z")
We must kill everyone who is against peace. It is the only way. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/islam-cannot-coexist-with-a-peaceful-world/580000.md?page=2)